“The Inheritance Cycle Book Club, Episode Eighteen” Has Officially Arrived! Listen Now!

The Inheritance Cycle Book Club is a podcast-styled read-through of Eragon, Eldest, and Brisingr aimed at refreshing fans and entertaining new readers as we venture toward the release of Inheritance. Each of the twenty episodes will discuss set portions of the books, in order, and will tackle the events of each reading, theories arising from the reading, and more. Join us for our adventure through the series!

Episode eighteen puts us almost at the end of BRISINGR… which means that INHERITANCE ever so close! The eighteenth installment of Shurtugal.com’s Inheritance Cycle Book Club Podcast has finally arrived! Our latest episode tackles several chapters from Brisingr, discussing the important events of this week’s set of reading. Join us as we discuss Orik’s coronation, the Nasuada whipping incident (finally), Roran gets his own charge and has to fight for it, and Eragon finds out “who’s your daddy”! Plus we tackle some fantastic fan questions and theories related to this section in our spoiler section at the end of the podcast. Be sure to read along as we read through all three books over the next twenty weeks

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Don’t forget that we’ve “hidden” a secret word in each episode of the Book Club. Collect all twenty words for a shot at an incredible grand prize, as well as many more runners-up prizes to be revealed in the coming weeks!

Remember, there are special guests on their way for episode 19 (Michelle Frey & fan) and episode 20 (Christopher Paolini)!

Shurtugal.com Presents: The Inheritance Cycle Book Club, Episode Eighteen:



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Brief Outline for “Shurtugal.com Presents: The Inheritance Cycle Book Club, Episode Eighteen”:

  • Introduction! Your hosts are Mike Macauley (Shur’tugal, Lytherus, The Inheritance Almanac), Lauren Zurchin (Lytherus), and Chris Addison (Shur’tugal)
  • Nasuada has to deal with Urgal problems.
  • Orik wins. Duh.
  • Saphira and Eragon reunite!
  • It’s a coronation! The star sapphire is fixed!
  • Eragon heads north.
  • Roran gets flogged.
  • Roran gets promoted and has to grab leadership “by the horns.”
  • Who’s Eragon’s Daddy? Brom is.
  • We give this week’s sweepstakes word!
  • We want your feedback!
  • It’s time for the spoiler section with Bob filling in for Mike. Uh oh!
  • End of episode eighteen!

Episode Nineteen of the Inheritance Book Club will release next week! Please be sure to read “Souls of Stone” through the end of the book! This is it! That’s all he wrote (until November 8th)!

Contribute to the show — offer your opinions via comments, email, or voicemail and we’ll read/play them during the show!

We want to involve our listeners in each show’s discussions as much as possible. This means we want to hear from you! We’re looking you to share your thoughts, theories, and discussion points on the next set of chapters for episode eighteen (listed above). The best of these thoughts will be read or played during the next episode of the Book Club!

  • Share your thoughts via text: If you have thoughts, opinions, discussion points, or theories on the next set of reading, please send them to [email protected] — be sure to keep them as brief as possible. Also be sure to include “Episode 19 Thoughts” in the subject!
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And finally, a poll!


  • Mollywaters94

    The peeps who made Lord of the Rings should make Eragon the movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Trumanwest

    i think this would be alot funnier if bob had a bigger part in it!

  • Brou

    This episode at is not well put together is it?  I have read the book only once and seem to remember more than them, anyone else?  About roran, Nasuada did go easy on him.  She said if it was anyone else they would be hung.  She also has angela take care of his wounds and that never gets done also.  Taking care of the wounds did help Nasuada thou beings she had him leave right after for a mission.  Wow, Memories!!!

    • And if his plan had been one whit less successful. You have good memories.

    • Packs45

      You’re right anyone else would get hung, if not because hes related to
      Eragon, Roran would be dead and he had a choice, correct if I’m wrong it
      was 30 whips and not fight for the Varden again, getting stripped from
      his post as Mike said, or 50 whips and still be able to fight with the
      Varden. She went easy on him, its just that Mike and Chris don’t like
      Nasuada, so even if Roran did the wrong thing Nasuada is the bad one
      here. I don’t care if he saved  lot of people he defied his commander
      and though him Nasuada herself but because he is of some value to the
      Varden Nasuada when easy on him. Like Lauren, said if there was another way of punishment she would have done it, but she could not afford showing weakness by letting him off without punishment if she did then she would the Varden would turn against her, they will think shes not being fair. I’m sorry guys but form the three, Lauren, you rock girl haha you got more brains than this two boys combined.

      This is for Mike and Chris, why do you guys think its fair that Nasuada killed the man that killed the urgals but think its wrong that she punished Roran for not following orders?

      • Mr. Anonymous

        Right. But Roran accomplished much more than just being a rebel. He saved many lives, even those of his commander and the other leader, and proved himself worthy of leading this force against the soldiers, doing what was best in that situation. The man that killed the urgals was just being prejudiced– and thats never okay. 

        • Mr. Anonymous

          And you think 50 lashes is going easy on him?! Ridiculous…

          • Packs45

            Better than getting killed

        • Packs45

          Yes he did good saving all that people, but still defied orders and that is punishable by death no matter what. About the soldier killing the Urgals it is the same thing, both are being punished for doing the wrong thing, one killed the urglals and the other defied orders both punishable by death. Only one didn’t die and it wasn’t necessarily because he saved the men in battle.

  • Pope

    i like it how everybody beats up nasuada kinda funny

  • Coasterking

    this is for mike lauren chris or bob when is the contest with random buzzers coming you guys will be recording any day now and there has been no contest. also what is your plan to catch up on the big 20s you are like behind 2

  • Sk

    EVERYBODY vote number 4

  • Sk

    EVERYBODY vote 4

  • Sk

    EVERYBODY vote Number 4

    • Denmark111

      talk about spamming

  • Anonymous

    The most effective way to get rid of hiccups: Just drink water and plug your ears at the same time.

    • elle

      actually I just get the handle of a spoon touch it to the back of the tongue while drinking water.

  • Xhin

    Lol Lauren u really smart. If you have put the options “Roran is a hero” and “Nasuada should die” together. The votes would be more than they have separated. Cheap but nice strategy lol. Btw I also hate Nasuada.

  • Hey Mike, when you are in Arizona and happen to run into Stephenie Meyer can you ask her for me, “WHAT…….!! on Earth were you thinking??” She’ll know what I mean. :~))

    ~Valen

    • Arya<3

      do you know stephenie?

  • Michaelfan13

    Mike thats not really true, i have left some good voice mails in the past few weeks.

  • The Doctor

    Gotta love that poll. xD

  • Adam Kauffman

    YES.  Lauren and the logical thinkers win.

  • bigmike

    Really? All of the big stuff that has happenned in this section and  they go for the Nasuada poll?

    • Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

      You knew this was coming

      You knew

      • Anonymous

        Chris we’re losing, you gotta stuff the ballot or something!

        • Anonymous

          I’ve been voting for Nasuada’s death on every computer I own and every computer at school 😀

          • Arya<3

            well.. you seem dedicated.. maybe you guys should just email Christopher Paolini himself instead of taking it out on the poll 😀

          • Denmark111

            In that case, the votes for Nasuada should be higher then fifty percent if we don’t count all the cheaters 😀

      • bigmike

        Actully, I would have said that an interesting poll that could lead to a few unheard theories would have been if the urgal that Roran fought with would come into play in the next book. (say to save Rorans life or something)

  • Frankbaney

    On the poll I was thinking that Nasuada is an overall good leader but she made a mistake on the severity of her punishment but Roran should have been punished, just not as bad as he was. there was no thing like that on the poll so I choose 4 because…..   I don’t need a reason.

    • Denmark111

      Why not 2?

  • hoke

    Does Lauren ever comment on these posts? I’ve had Mike and Bob comment on mine, and I see Chris’ all the time, but I think it would be cool for Lauren to interact with the fans a bit.

    • daniel

      lauren does comment on posts. just not as often as bob and chris

      • The Green dragon

        yeah at least one or two times since ive been on the site she commented on me.

    • Yeah, she does…

      It’s just she doesn’t troll the comments like we do 😀

      • hoke

        buts that what we love about you guys!

    • I comment more because I moderate them.  Lauren gets on right before each podcast.

    • The Green dragon

      yeah at least one or two times since ive been on the site she commented on me.

  • Oibhsuoibh

    Hey, You should remove the spoiler from the outline!

    • Fairth

      What spoiler?

      • Harry Quacker

        It says that Brom is Eragon’s father, that is quite a spoiler. Though I doubt anybody who hasn’t read this week’s reading yet is reading the post so not so much of a spoiler, but ya never know…

        • Coasterking

          that was in episodes 18s reading the last chapter was the one where eragon finds out

          • What he said.

            If it was in this week’s reading or before it, it gets included.

            However, I did have to remove one spoiler from the podcast. (Yeah, I look out for ya’ll!)

  • Jessicamaness2020

    When does episode 19 air?

    • As of this writing, I’m not completely sure.

  • In the chapter “Among the Clouds” in Brisingr,
    Eragon and Saphira stop at the edge of Fernoth-Merna and Eragon notices
    the ruins of an abandoned castle across the way from which he gets an
    ominous feeling. The exact quote is “The abandoned building seemed
    gloomy, ominous, as if it were the decaying carcass of some foul beast.”
    Why does he get such a feeling about that castle? Whose castle was it?
    
- Guest123 (paraphrased)

    Christopher Paolini: It was a dwarf castle that was destroyed in
    the Îdgand Era, when Grim Halfstave killed Queen Forna and seized for
    his own the granite throne under Tronjheim. Eragon found the castle
    ominous because, well, it looked rather ominous.

    There are actually quite a lot of ruins in the Beor Mountains. The
    dwarves have had more than a few wars amongst themselves, not to mention
    their ancient conflicts with dragons, Fanghur, Urgals, and the gigantic
    bears and boars that reside in the mountains. Another famous battle was
    the Siege of Kvôth, which was attacked during the War of Iron, which
    pitted humans against dwarves and knurlan against knurlan in a dispute
    over ownership of the iron mines in the western foothills of the Beor
    Mountains. The human king at the time, King Thedric, did his best to
    forestall bloodshed by meeting in secret with the dwarf Ivaldn in the
    city of Furnost, but his efforts proved unsuccessful and, in the end, it
    fell to the Riders to restore the peace.

    Just a bit of history that got cut from Brisingr.

    • bigmike

      I have a feeling that the ruin will come into play in the book. And I have a creeping suspicion that it will have something to do with the Vault of Souls or something of significance. Why would CP put it in the book if it wasnt going to be important when he could have put something else. It cant be just something to fill in the empty space in the book. I just feel like it is something that should be kept in mind.

  • Anchal Jain

    It seems that the Shurtugal community is mostly torture-loving war-mongers.

    • Anchal Jain

      also, soup pan?? Who makes soup in a pan…

      • Julia

        Thats exactly what I thoughtt!!!

    • War Rider

      Obviously you don’t understand how things were in the ancient times, as well as the fact that whipping was a common punishment for insubordination.

      • Anchal Jain

        Just quoting Mike from the discussion. That’s how he described all the people in favor of Nasuada’s decision.

  • The Green dragon

    Hey when will the random buzzers thing be in?

  • Gladr_where_are_you

    Criss i totally agree with you Nasuada is worthless and is my least favortie character. I would rahter have Ajihad’s dead body be ruler od the Varden. ALL of her decisions make me want to thro the book out the window and i hope someone reads this and tells Loran she awfully wrong about Nasuada

    • Valbrandr

      “Lo-ran”‘? I hope English isn’t your first language.

      Moreover, I think Nasuada’s done a great job for the Varden. She’s what – eighteen? She managed to form an alliance with Surda, fill the Varden’s coffers, relocate the entire organization to a more tenable location, and coordinate a major strike against the Empire.

      Yeah, Nasuada’s not perfect. That’s what makes her interesting. 

      • Becky L

        I agree she’s done a good job but I dislike her personality immensely…I guess that’s why i strongly dislike her (to whomever asked me before)

      • Arya<3

        also she funded the Varden with lace… and made a pact with the Urgals.. 🙂

      • bigmike

        And she has the patience to sit and listen to the troubles and problems of the Varden one day a week and she solves them. I wouldnt have enough patience to even sit in the same place listening to people argue. Let alone to do it without getting so mad that I just tell them to go outside, form a ring, give them a strip of leather to rap around their fists, and tell them that which ever one wins the fight is right.

  • Sara Francis

    you guys have got to ask CP whyBlodgrahm smells sexy! 

    • Melodia

      Oh yeah totally! 😀 I always wondered, hmm?
      But he doesn’t really sound sexy, who wants a guy covered in fur?

      • Lil Uhura

        I take it that you’re not a member of Team Jacob, are you? 😛

        • Melodia

          Neither actually, I perfer them non-bloodsucking and non-werewolfy

        • The Doctor

          Twilight SUCKS

          • TARDIS

            Of course it does, especially in comparison to me. 😛

          • Deb M

            “TARDIS in reply to The Doctor”nice 🙂

          • Anonymous

            Twilight did suck. But Jacob was still awesome

    • timmy

      he smells because he changed his body to make the “sexy” smell, releasing pheromones

  • Jeremys773

    mike I read “player one ready.” I really enjoyed it, and it had me laughing constantly. Thanks for the recommendation.

  • Anonymous

    When I called the voicemail number, it didn’t work, so I just sent it in an email. Anyone else have this problem?

  • Mwang1997

    Nasuada is pretty much like Carn in that moment, she doesn’t allow creativity and innovation in the actions of the soldiers. Yes, I know that the military groups need to have extreme discipline, but her actions do not demonstrate anything to soldier other than to blindly follow their commanders, and that it doesn’t matter how effective a soldiers actions would be, the most important thing is to follow the commander. Such actions would lead living under a state much like Galbatorix, to blindly follow given rules without any personal ideologies. Nasuada didn’t “have to” have Roran flogged for insubordination. Instead, by releasing a clear message that although disobeying a superior is wrong and will be punished, personal thought and innovation in times of combat is correct, therefore giving caution that disregarding a superior would be punished without reason. 

    • Lil Uhura

      I think that you meant Edric.  Carn was Roran’s spellcaster buddy.

    • Fairth

      I don’t entirely agree with the punishment that Roran got, but I do think that she made the right choice.  Especially because of Roran’s position of importance as cousin to the rider.  It doesn’t entirely tell people not to do what they think is right, but to give it more thought and not to do something stupid on the chance that it works and makes them important (after-all, Roran did get a reward after his punishment).  What it’s telling anyone who is willing to listen closely is that you need to count the cost of disobeying orders because even success will cost you, and failure may cost you much more, but that success can still be very rewarding in the long run.  Just be sure that you know what you’re doing, because being the hero can cost lives.

    • bigmike

      ts how the Feudal system works. The person on top makes orders, the serfs follow them. Thats how it was back then.

  • Denmark111

    I love the idea of a pool! My only problem is that Nasuada didn’t have to disciple Roran to be a fair leader, but to maintain order in the Varden… But I voted that anyway, as it was the closest.

  • Deb M

    Random question: I don’t remember where I got this idea, but was the title of the last book going to be Empire at any point in time?  Or was that only ever speculation?

    • Anonymous

      I’m pretty sure that was speculation, before CP decided to split the trilogy into a cycle. Empire fit in with the 6 letter E word too

    • BrunoLikesInheritance

      that was a fan guess its called inheritance

      • Deb M

        I know it’s called Inheritance now.

    • Rachel C

      Back when Brisingr and Inheritance were one volume and the cycle was going to be a trilogy, the final book was going to be called Empire, but then Brisingr got too big. It would have sounded cool though: Eragon, Eldest, Empire.

      • Deb M

        Cool, so I didn’t imagine it.  Thanks!

  • Jamie V

    lol i read the book and liked the movie. If movies are not like the books it never really bothered me

    • Denmark111

      Impressive! And good for you 🙂

      • Jamie V

        thanks

    • BrunoLikesInheritance

      the eragon  movie? i hated it because it totally ruined the books making it impossible to make a 2nd movie because half of eldest is roran going to join the varden and try to rescue katrina but in the movie they killed the ra’zac

      • Jamie V

        Hi, i get what your saying but i just dont see any reason to worry about something like that when there are more important things to worry about. I hope i dont offend you by my comment.

  • Arya<3

    Whoah.. Christopher could totally make a curveball in Inheritance… when Eragon is insufficient of power and goes to the vault of souls, he finds…. Percy Jackson and the rest of his demigod army ready to attack Galbatorix

    • Tooba Salam

      i would love to see that happen!

    • BrunoLikesInheritance

      0.o

    • I love reading!!

      Great Idea-but does his demigod army includ the Roman demigods or not?

      • bigmike

        Thank You! Exactly what I was thinking! Cause everyone knows that it is almost impossible to defeat the Legion. Why do think that Rome was one of the largest Empires the world has ever seen?

        • Anonymous

          I still think that the Greeks are way better than the Romans. Camp Halfblood can destroy the Camp Jupiter any day.

    • bigmike

      >: 0   That would be epic!….. What if Dumbledores Army was filling up the third rank?

  • Feisty-fitz

    Great podcast guys as always.

    This question is directed to Random House……. you friggin ****teasers, WHERE IS THE INTERVIEW???? As a direct consequence of waiting for this interview, i am going to avoid books you publish where possible, as i know that if i get into a series, you will keep me dangling on a string for as long as possible.

    • Denmark111

      I hope you are aware of the fact that it is highly unlikely that Random House will ever read these comments

      • Arya<3

        and I think Random House isn’t responsible for the interview at this late stage

        • Oh yes they are. 

          • Boo

            The………….. Beepers.

          • Coasterking

            and what reasons are they giving for not letting it be released is something i want to know is there something in the interview they don’t want out prior to the books release?
             

          • Matt S

            Do y’all have a number for them that we can all call to harass them about it. Then everyone would leave y’all alone.

    • You need to calm down.

      • Feisty-fitz

        I can’t sorry, I’m a little excitable….

        • bromandsaphira

          Mike and the others are getting the interview out as soon as they can. they are extremally busy. just be patient. the interview will come when it can. these people do have lives outside of the inheritance cycle you know 🙂
          and just think…only like two weeks till book 4! I’ve been waiting for like 3 1/2 years…this is gonna be so cool!

    • I got the okay to post this. I travel home tomorrow… it’ll be up this week for sure. Before Friday. I promise.

      • hoke

        Sweet! Its so close I can almost taste it, and the interview may sate my appetite for a few days 😛

      • Feisty-fitz

        No way????????????????????? Thanks! 😀

  • Anonymous

    I feel the need to point out that the lore was the best part of Warcraft until Blizzard started tripping over themselves and it was the part i played for, so Chris, /disagree.

    With regards to the book, I always suspected Brom was related to Eragon somehow and reached the conclusion that he was his father by the time he died. It was satisfying when Eragon found out himself.

  • hoke

    wow i should go to bed. i have to be up in like three hours… i feel like i am in an elven trance like eragon 😛

  • Guest

    for the poll I’m thinking answer 1 but putting answer 4 because it is awesome

  • lpfrye

    Thanks for watching??? O wait they can’t see me lol. SMOOTH Robert

  • Fairth

    If you guys think that you can handle the outcome, I think that you should post a poll to determine which of you is the most popular (Rob included).  I would be interested in seeing the results, and I could see it not being who one would think.

    • No need to take a poll when we all know I am the most popular. 🙂

  • BlueBiscuit

    If you want to go by real “democratic method” the Lauren wins George bush style. As te only voters from a state Lauren (Pennsylvania) gets 21 electoral votes and chris(arkansas)and mike (mass) only get 18 between the 2 of you.

  • Arya<3

    Although i don’t agree with Chris’s views about Nasuada and think he’s stubborn, you gotta give him some respect. It takes REAL dedication to continue to trash talk her while thousands of fans probably hate him for it.

  • I find it that everyone is whining like babies over the whipping insident. When, if anyone should be whining, should be Roran. But he never complained, he never begged for the whipping to be stoped, and he kept on with his military service. If anything that says more about HIS character than Nasuada’s! It says that he doesn’t mind the pain and suffering of a lashing if he can still be able to protect those he loves. He basiccally dusted his scrapped knees off and went to work the next day.

    Give the guy credit when it’s due! Even you hard-core Roran fans should appricate that instead of going after a scapegoat. In fact, if Roran did whine like a baby and had a sense of entitlment over being a “hero” and the cousin of a Dragon Rider, I would think waaaaay less of him and I would have wanted him to be whipped!

    • Anonymous

      No one is saying that Roran is the one who thought his punishment was wrong, we’re talking about Nasuada’s decision

      • Fairth

        As long as we’re questioning the actions of Nasuada (rather than that of CP, which is a whole different can of worms), I think that we should consider what Roran thought of the flogging.  As I understand it, he didn’t like it, but he understood the reason and was fully prepared to take the punishment.

  • Emily L.

    Hey Bob…  Where state do you live in?

    By the way, I figured out that Brom was Eragon’s father in Eragon.

    • New Jersey! It stinks!

      • Ever had a run-in with Snookie? (haha…. sarcasm!)

      • Anonymous

        Hey I’m in jersey too, and its not THAT bad!

      • Deb M

        What exit? 😛

    • Adilas73

      How?, there were barley no clues.

      • Matt S

        I always suspected it. Brom had told him near the beginning of “Eragon” that he knew his mother long ago. Plus we knew that Selena had left carvahall long ago then showed up out of the blue dressed all fancy and in poor health to give birth to Eragon then turned around and left again. Then when Murtagh told the story of his lineage and his mother I just kinda put 2 and 2 together. It was just a guess back then but it made perfect since to me.

  • Arya<3

    so there’s no spoiler section next week?

    • That would be correct, they’ll be able to talk about everything during the actual discussion!

    • Coasterking

      what would there be to spoil no one knows book 4 oh wait michell the editor does so there could be spoilers lol

  • whoa

    Wow. You guys like hardly talk about the book. Its kinda annoying

    • Feisty-fitz

      Kind of like you weren’t doing as you posted this comment?

    • No one forced you to listen.

      • I was forced…

        • elle

          I’m so sorry for you

  • XxxX

    wow, 18 episodes in.
    YALL
    should do a poll based on who started with the very first release

  • Arya<3

    Interview? 😀

  • kmc995

    I loved the “whose your daddy” part! and the part where Roran grabs leadership “by the horns!” xD omg I actually chuckled a bit :p nice work Bob

    ~Krista

  • Yeah

    Yeah people shouldn’t get to hung up on this whole whipping thing. I’m pretty sure Roran was okay with it, cause you know it’s like that old great Alagasia song goes, “Sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and whips excite me.” Written by that great Alagasia song writter 
    Rihanna. So calm down people.

  • Asd

    nasuada had no choice but to punish Roran. if she didn’t all the stupid solders would think their ideas were better than their commanders.

    • Denmark111

      Finally someone saying the truth fast and simple!

    • Melodia

      I totally agree with you at first I was like ‘WTF?!’ but then I thought thats what makes her a good leader, doing things that are necessary no matter how unpleasant they are. 

    • Logic Lawyer

      Then she could have at least reduced the punishment. I probably wouldn’t be as ardenly anti-Nasuada if she had at least cut the whipping in half, which would still have gotten the point across without going to such extremes.

      The idea of the entire Varden starting to disobey orders because Roran got off easy on one count is overblown. This isn’t a modern setting where everyone has the internet and the entire army is going to read the press release about Roran’s exact actions the next day. If Roran hadn’t been whipped, the majority of the army wouldn’t even have ever known that he had disobeyed orders in the field. Even if they did find out, the Varden’s soldiers are not going to throw out all military discipline and start disobeying their superiors just because they heard about one man who got off easy. Even if some of them dead, it would be a simply matter to then punish the ones who didn’t achieve enormous success in a desperate situation, as they would actually deserve it, and the problem would be solved.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly, especially when the one man just happens to be Eragon Shadeslayer’s cousin

      • Tim G.

        Actually she did reduce the punishment. The normal punishment for disobeying orders was DEATH. (Brisingr Pg. 568-569)

        • All Hail Emperor Murtagh

          Nasuada did NOT reduce the punishment! How many times do I have to state the obvious to you all? Right there on page 569, she says, “Tradition and established precedent leave me only three choices.” Those were death, 30 lashes + dischargement from the Varden, or 50 lashes. She gave him the worst punishment that she possibly could without losing him as a soldier to either death or dischargement.

          The healing, likewise, was not total, and was only done so that she could send him on an asinine mission leading urgals shortly after. She said it herself when Roran was being healed. “That’s why I healed you; not to save you your punishment, but because I need you to do this.” (Paraphrased.)

          As for gossip, I stand by my position that if Nasuada hadn’t made a fuss over the incident, the majority of people in the Varden would never have even known that Roran disobeyed any orders.

          • eebi

            Do you really think the soldiers that Roran saved wouldn’t have told all their friends about this awesome guy who saved them? And he’s Eragon’s cousin, so that only makes it more gossipworthy. Not to mix up series, but Dumbledore’s quote from Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone applies here: “What happened between you and Professor Quirrell in the dungeons is a complete secret, so naturally the entire school knows” (paraphrased). I’m pretty sure they didn’t have press releases at Hogwarts either.

      • Harry Quacker

        She reduced the punishment by having him healed. She had to do what she did in order to maintain order in The Varden. True, Edric probably shouldn’t have been in a captain in the first place but everyone makes mistakes. Once the mistake was made she had to go along with it. For every Edric there are probably 100 good captains who should be listened to so if you don’t punish Roran you set an example that could be disastrous. I think she did the proper thing by having him whipped, show the Varden that it doesn’t matter who you are, if you disobey, there will be consequences. But after that she had him healed and promoted. Very much like what her father did to Orik when he disobeyed the Twins.

      • Denmark111

        Your right, there were no internet back then. There were gossip, which is much worse. What would an army do all day long, if not chat? What would they chat about? The famous people of course! And who would be more famous than the Shadeslayers brother himself?

        About the military discipline is it my understanding that they didn’t have as much of it back then, as they have today. And in any case much it be very stressing to be in way and it is already hard to keep order in an army (just think about the guy who killed the three Urgals!).

  • Jelpesdaturtle

    I bet Inheritance is going to come out and once we read it everyone’s gonna be like, “Ha! I wrote that in my fanfic!” and everythig is gonna be awkward…

    • Becky L

      I sincerely hope that happens, since near the end of my ancient fanfic Nasuada gets killed and her body is thrown off a ship

      • Arya<3

        why do you hate Nasuada so much?

        • Becky L

          Mainly because I think she’s annoying, arrogant and a bit powerhungry. But also, she wants Eragon to kill Murtagh if he can, even though that’d probably destroy Thorn and bring the dragon race one step closer to destruction.

          • Arya<3

            not to smash down you opinion, but I think any ruler would want an enemy dragon to be killed. shes thinking about the bigger picture because he’s a tool of Galbatorix, who is a tyrant. Remember, Nasuada once liked Murtagh so that was a big sacrifice for her…

          • Becky L

            Yes, but it’s still a dragon, and Murtagh is an unwilling tool, so if he could escape Galbatorix’s bonds he would probably not directly oppose the Varden. If you kill Thorn, there’s only the one green egg left for Saphira to potentially mate with…and if she doesn’t like Greenie, well…man, should’ve left Thorn alive!

          • Arya<3

            I totally agree with you on the Thorn thing, but if you were in the world of Alagaesia, would you really see how Thorn could get released? I don’t think any other leaders would tell Eragon just to “scare Murtagh away” when they fight face to face. It’s pretty much suks that the world is like that, but we see it from a book point of view, while they’re in the world.

          • Denmark111

            And besides, what did the other dragons do to the Forsworn? If you like dragons so much, then you hate the dragons for doing such a thing right?

          • Harry Quacker

            I just had a thought, what if Eragon kills Thorn but not Murtagh? That would upset Murtagh so much that his name would change and he’d be released from his oaths, then he can steal Thorn’s Eldunari (I’m sure Galby has it) and live a normal life as a Rider with an Eldunari. Oromis mentioned that there were Riders who lived like this. The dragons would still live on through Saphira and Greenie

    • Denmark111

      It would be quite impressive if CP can make everyone happy like that. But if you wish, I would love to bet with you 😉

  • Guest

    The main thing I hated about Nasuada giving out the punishment was the fact that the NEXT DAY she told him to go out and fight again. If she gave him adaquate time to heal completely it would not have been so bad

    • You forgot that Angela (which is an excellent healer; if her “healing” Eragon’s back after the battle of Farthren Dur in a day is any consolatation) was asked by Nasuada to heal him properly. If Roran is a tough guy like everyone wants and believes he is, he’ll live with having a sore back.

      • Guest

        She didn’t let him heal completely. She only let Angela heal him enough to be useful for her mission 

  • kmc995

    🙁 my brains comment was practically stolen by Helen…well, not necessarily, since she had a different motive, but she basically used the same quote I used….I’m sad, although I understand that not everybodies comments can get on the show

    • How would Helen have “stolen” something if she was unable to see your thoughts in advance?

      We appreciate all contributions, even if we don’t have time to include them.

  • Logic Lawyer

    Ah, darn, they didn’t read my email. It was titled, “Episode 18 Thoughts-Thirteen Reasons Why Nasuada Was Wrong.”

    Interesting how three of the four options seem to correspond to the opinions of the hosts. “Nasuada had to do it to be fair,” would be Lauren, “She should have made an exception for Roran the hero,” would be Mike, and “Nasuada must die!”, also the one I voted for ;), would be Chris. The last one they just threw in for diversity.

    Opinions seem pretty divided, from where they look now.

    • Anonymous

      Haha I thought the same thing!

    • I let Lauren think up the poll options because if I had done so, each option would have been a variation of “Nasuada is wrong because ______.”

      • I would of course have voted for “All of the above”.

  • Denmark111

    Mike and Chris, you obviously never played a strategy-game. If your army are outnumbered as much as the Varden is, even though they might have a bit more experience, order is essential. I have played very few strategy games where my men disobeyed orders, but if they had done, I would have lost for sure. And I don’t think it is just in strategy-games anyway.

    Other than that Nasuada did give him other options. He was to be hanged under normal circumstances, but Nasuada decided to let him chose if he rather wanted to get 30 lashes and be discharged from the Varden or get 50 and stay.
    The options Mike gave, an unpleasent job or something like that, is something you get from failing a simple assignment or something.

    • Anonymous

      What’s a strategy game?

      and he obviously isn’t going to choose to leave the Varden, so he really has no choice.

      • War Rider

        Was that a troll question?

        Yes, he obviously wasn’t going to choose to leave the Varden, but those were his choices. He was given a choice of the normal customary punishment instead of being decided for him as is usually done.

        • Anonymous

          No seriously! lol like risk? or do you mean online?

          • War Rider

            I’d say online videogame

      • Denmark111

        I know he isn’t going to leave the Varden, but still. She does give him a choice. She doesn’t just say: “You idiot! 50 lashes!” and leaves it at that.

        And I hope you’re joking about that strategy-game part. A strategy-game is a game (often computer-game, which was what I referenced to here, it could also be chess) that involves strategy. It often also involves moving around armies in for instance the middle ages, middle earth or World War 2.

    • In Call of Duty, I just run in…the bullets don’t hurt!

      • War Rider

        Call of Duty isn’t a real game, the older call of duty games are far superior than what COD has become. If you even call it call of duty call of duty, considering that modern warfare 2 had call of duty removed.

        • War Rider

          Woops, typed call of duty twice, sorry. I’m not fully alert sorry.

          • Denmark111

            You know there is a little “edit”-bottom next to the “reply”-bottom where the “like”-bottom usually is on your own comments 🙂

      • Guest

        mw3 15 days

    • Logic Lawyer

      Hanging was NOT the sole normal punishment for insurbordination. Nasuada was NOT lessening the standard punishment in any way. The 30 lashes + dischargement or 50 lashes and continued service were established alternate punishments. Nasuada gave Roran the highest punishment that she could without killing or losing him. There was no mercy or lessening of the lashes, and I probably wouldn’t be as upset with Nasuada if she had done that.

      All of them seem much too harsh, even in cases of insurbordination where the soldier wasn’t forced to either disobey and save lives or die along with all of his men, and didn’t have great success with it. Those sound like penalties for mutiny–trying to steal command–not insurbordination, which is simply refusing a command.

      • Denmark111

        Nasuada says at the start of the chapther “The Whipping Post”: “Blast it Stronghammer. If you were anyone else but Eragon’s cousin, and if your gambit had been even one whit less effective, I would have you strung up and hanged for your misconduct.” That sounds like it is the normal way of doing things to me.

        It maybe seem to harsh, but she did what she had to to maintain order in the Varden, as I already wrote is order essential in any war, and only so much more when you are outnumbered.

    • I grew up playing strategy games.

      • Denmark111

        If that’s the case, then you must see that Nasuada *had* to punish Roran, to maintain order in the Varden. Or do you disagree in some of what I’ve said?

      • James Winters

        Age of Empires!

  • Denmark111

    I say “Aye”!

  • ItsEminem

    Now you people on here listen to your master: vote the 3rd option (or atleast the first one). If you don’t eeevil things will happen. Deaths will occur (you know to something small like a carrot).
    Voters of the 3rd option shall recieve: 1 billion dollars.
    Voters of option 1 will recieve: 1 million dollars.
    The rest of you… eh I’ll sort you out in my free time. Public execution sounds good.
    Make your choice. Pick wisely.

    • Feisty-fitz

      I picked option 3….. 1 billion dollars please.

      I’m deadly serious.

      Hehe.

      • ItsEminem

        When we recieve confirmation of your selection, the payment will be wired across to your swiss bank. Thank you for your patronage.

    • Dragon2003

      I will never choose those options! Vote option 2 or 4!  

  • Anonymous

    This is it!!! We have to make our stand, and finally take charge! Vote Death for Nasuada!!

    • Michaelfan13

      That seems kinda of harsh dont you think?

      • Anonymous

        It doesn’t matter that it’s harsh. Nasuada should die. She barely ever makes good decisions.

        • War Rider

          Difference between Roran and Nasuada haters, Roran haters don’t wish for Roran to die. While Nasuada haters wish Nasuada to die. Shows who are the more reasonable haters.

          • Anonymous

            No no no. I know a lot of Roran haters who wish him a violent death. The difference between the Roran haters and the Nasuada haters is that the Nasuada haters actually have a good reason for hating Nasuada. While the Roran haters hate Roran because he is an awesome fighter.

          • Denmark111

            What!?! Are there Roran haters? What is with people? I personally like both people, and see no reason for either to die.

        • Denmark111

          Barely ever makes good decisions!?! So what about not listening to the council of elders? Moving the Varden to Surda? 
          Fund the Varden with lace?
           Striking the Empire while they were recovering? Have as Elva her personal guard? Accepting the urgals into the Varden? Treating the urgals equal to humans? Attacking Feinster instead of just moving on?

          Tell me honestly. What decisions have Nasuada made other than this that is not good?

  • An… interesting typo, is it? I had to rewind and make sure I hadn’t missed something.

    “About how-…. ummmmm…”
    “*Sigh* here I’ll do it. About how-….. oh…..”

    Just curious, are we allowed to know? Cause I’m guessing it like… wasn’t PG or something? In any case this has been the most hilarious podcast so far.

    • But I love that theory. I thought of it before and I think if anything can change Murtagh (and through him, Thorn) it would be love.

    • Anonymous

      I think it was a typo, like it said, “about how meet etc…” and it should have been “about how meeting…” i think thats what lauren said

    • Denmark111

      I agree, if nothing else could Bob have cut that part out

  • Coasterking

    just downloaded ready set liscen why so short i thought the whipping scene would have made this episode long?

    • Tough to debate something we already spent 17 episodes debating.

  • loft

    wow, you three should make an episode without Mike
    not that I have anything against him, just making suggestions…

  • Guest

    Yeah first one to vote

  • War Rider

    Sorry about the 3rd post in a row, but where is the poll with Roran and Nasuada debate?

  • War Rider

    By the way, what about the info about the fan getting in the 19th episode?

  • War Rider

    Please have Bob introduce the next spoiler section.

    By the way, do all the clan chiefs really have to vote for someone as clan leader? Can’t a clan chief choose to obstain his/her vote?

  • vote for Nasuada!

  • This week you guys talked about Hunger Games and not Doctor Who. I feel included now 🙂 since I fell in love with it a few months ago I’ll look up your recommendation Mike if I have time. And by the way, I was actually introduced to the Inheritance Cycle by the movie tie in book, so the movie actually did me some good.

  • bromandsaphira

    Bob:”Welcome to the spoiler section, Mike isn’t here. we’re gonna have to fend for ourselves. It’s like mother lions fighting over a scrap of meat.”
    Lauren: “I really shouldn’t have let you do the intro….”
    Chris: “Maybe I should take charge…”

  • Guest

    Anyone else get baked and listen to this pod cast and find it extremely entertaining?

  • YAY 😀 *begins to listen to podcast*

  • Anonymous

    I still vote for nasuada despite the fact that she made the wrong decision. There was no Viable alternative. 2-2.

  • AvaAnnaZ

    Chris talks so much more when Mike isn’t there.

  • Tooba Salam

    Hey, Mike! I’ve read the Bartimeaus Trilogy. Were you talking about the footmote-type things? And also, I agree with you and Chris about Nasuada whipping Roran.

  • appleflower

    maybe the dragon on the cover is Shruikan
     

    • Anonymous

      Shruikan is a black dragon

  • AvaAnnaZ

    Already? OMG cool. Listening now… (of course)

  • James Winters

    Wow its official, Mike Macauley has no memory!

    No offence, but I specifically remember you speculating before Brisingr came out, that Brom could be Eragon’s father. There was a ‘what will happen in Book 3?’ page written by on here a few years back, and that was a credited idea.

    Everyone knew Brom was likely to be Eragon’s dad, it was a noted theory, backed by millions of clues.

    Sorry Mike, love the site and the podcast, but you may have alzheimers if you can;t remember speculating about Brom.

    Oh and by the way: as for the Eragon Movie, you all miss the point. I hate it when people say it was bad cos it was unfaithful to the book ..and then say it worked as a film.

    not true!

    It wasn;t bad cos it was unfaithful to the book, I can tolerate that to an extent…provided it is a good film. And Eragon wasn’t good as a film in its own right, it was horribly cliched and plot hole filled. Hence its panning by critics.

    They need to somehow reboot the series, with a good balance between book faithfulness and good filmness.

    Ok, the bone has been picked. Rants over.

    • Anonymous

      Well okay its just a mistake, he’s human too. But speculating isn’t the same as seeing it coming. I think he meant it wasn’t like obvious that it would happen.
      If the Spine happens to actually be a giant dragon, no one will say they saw it coming, even though it was speculated on

    • Guest

      Agreed.  If you had visited pretty much every Inheritance-related disucssion board before Brisingr came out, plenty of people expected Brom to be his real father and had clues to back it up.  There was a general consent back then that it would have been much more surprising if Eragon had stayed Morzan’s son.  

      • Contrary to popular belief, I do not have insane levels of free time which allow me to browse boards. I usually stick to website comments and emails, as that’s all the time I have free.

    • Not all theories are written by Mike Macauley.

      I do all of the work on Shur’tugal now, but back pre-Brisingr we had a very large staff. Most content was written by many people, not just me.

      Also, I have a TERRIBLE memory. This I do not deny.

  • Wyrda

    Roran is to obligated to his own matters to be king while Nasuada has had more education in politics and how to deal with different races

  • Wyrda

    he killed 193 men!!! everybody else took a vacation while Roran single handedly slaughtered all of Alagaesia save Galbatorix himself

  • Wyrda

    i love Nasuada.. she was handed a incredibly huge load at a real young age.. way more thn Ajihad had to deal with, mainly bcuz she’s on the brink of having to fight Galbatorix.. and to be able to deal with everything the way she has is amazing to me.. she’s very clever, she’s tough, she’s willing to endure an overwhleming amount of sufferring for her ppl.. a very worthy Queen in my opinion. Roran is kinda bullheaded just like Eragon, i dont agree with her giving him lashes simply bcuz Roran saved her some much needed soldiers, being tht they r already majorly outnumbered.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry Bob, you’re the coolest of the bunch.

    • Tooba Salam

      No, Chris is the coolest, no doubt. Chris and Mike.

      • Anonymous

        Or just Chris

        • Denmark111

          No way! It’s Lauren 🙂

          • Anonymous

            Hey, let’s not pick favorites here. They’re all awesome. Equally awesome. Full Stop!!

          • Anonymous

            I think we should vote *cough*poll*cough* haha

          • Denmark111

            True that 🙂

    • You might think you’re doing Bob a favor by lying to him… you know, trying to make him feel better about himself. Truth is, when you lie to him about being cool (which we all know is wrong), you’re hurting him in the long run. The truth may hurt, but he’ll thank you one day.

      Just kidding, I like Bob. A little.

      • There’s no “Dislike” button. Boo.

  • ItsEminem

    50 whips would have been dished out to everyone. It’s the rules. It is 50 for everyone: if they want to stay with the Varden. 30 if you will leave the Varden afterwards.

    • Melissa Lauer5

      Thank you for pointing this out!

    • Denmark111

      Where does it say so? I’m just wondering, ’cause I didn’t notice it when I read through it.

  • ItsEminem

    Mr. “Idiot” is your average run of the mill commander. He isn’t the worst and he isn’t the best.

    • Denmark111

      (And/)Or he just likes to stick to the rules and accidentally made a (very) bad mistake.

  • Wyrda

    lob it lmao!!

  • Wyrda

    4:20 on the podcast lol

  • When Lauren fails at reading in the spoiler section, that is the craziest laugh I’ve ever heard in my entire life!

  • Very short episode this week, what happened? I expected a two hour long debate listing all the reasons on why Mike is always right!

    • I believe Mike’s foot was on the gas pedal and it was all the way down to the floor.

      Plus, they took a vote. Oh crap…I forgot to put the poll up…

    • I tried my heart out not to rush this podcast, but we recorded it while I was on my way out the door to the airport.

      As for the Nasuada debate… it’s tough to have a huge debate on something you’ve already spent 17 episodes debating. We had fun this episode and I hope it showed.

  • Adilas73

    I think the reason why Nasuada flogged Roran to get control over Eragon more, sort of like “If you disobey me I will flog your cousin until death”. She’s trying to get control of Eragon by his cousin, Rorans is the person who gets the punishment if Eragon does something wrong e.g Eragon going to Elesmera. 

    • Wyrda

      yea but also if she woulda killed Roran, Eragon prolly woulda killed her lol

      • Adilas73

        But Eragons oath would have stopped him from killing her…

        • Matt S

          He didn’t make any oaths to her in the ancient language so the only thing holding him back from turning on her are his own morals.

          • Anonymous

            Exactly right. and also Saphira made no oaths to anyone..

          • Adilas73

            In Eragon nasuada made him swear loyalty to her in the ancient language, any way if this would stop Eragon from killing nasuada He would tell saphira to kill. DEATH TO NASUADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

          • Matt S

            Nope. He never swore anything to her in the AL. He swore fealty to her in the common tongue. The best that I can remember, the only thing he has ever sworn to in the AL was to the Queen to keep Oromis and Gleadr a secret unless he was released from his oaths by either the Queen, Arya, or whoever succeeded them to the throne.

    • Denmark111

      Nasuada would be a fool to do such a thing. She has done a lot of incredible things that a fool would not be capable of doing, so she is not a fool, so didn’t flog Roran to get control over Eragon.

  • hoke

    Yes!

  • And there it is! Episode 18! (A few hours late, but it’s here nonetheless!)

    Hope you like the spoiler section with me filling in for Mike. I tried to lead as best I could, but I can’t read…

    • hoke

      by the way no homo bob, but i think i like your voice the best haha