“Big Twenty” — Spirits are Powerful Beyond Comprehension… So What Role Will They Play in Book 4?

The Big Twenty is Shur’tugal’s twenty week long series of in depth discussion and theorizing, all centered around twenty core questions, loose ends, and theories in the Inheritance universe. The Big Twenty is the ultimate fan guide to happenings in Book 4 — and we hope you’ll join us for the adventure! To learn more about the Big Twenty, view our announcement article.

Spirits are powerful and elusive beings, the very legend of which is enough to scare fledgling spellcasters away from the profession, as spirits possess the ability to transform and enslave a weak magician, creating a powerful Shade. We’ve also seen a kinder side of spirits, ones who bless individuals with gifts such as golden flowers.

But what are these creatures? Is there any connection between these spirits and the spirits which humans and dwarves believe leave the body upon death? What can spirits accomplish? What is their connection with the Vault of Souls, if any? If they are so powerful, why do they remain neutral in a fight which threatens to destroy Alagaesia at the very core? We explore all of this and more in this week’s Big Twenty article – and as a bonus, this article contains information never revealed in the books!

What are spirits?

There are two distinct types of spirits mentioned throughout the books – and the distinction is very important. Although never specifically mentioned in the actual books, Christopher Paolini has answered some lingering questions regarding the distinction between spirits human mention as being released when a person dies, and the spirits encountered throughout the books within Shades and used by sorcerers.

Let’s explore each in order to offer better distinction between the two types of spirits in Alagaesia. This will allow us to understand what we’re dealing with in terms of the true spirits!

The Human Spirit: Much like in the real world – the world in which we, the readers, live – many in Alagaesia believe that when the body dies, spirits depart the body and venture off for the next great adventure (or some sort of after-life). It is here that a spirit will wander, allowing the consciousness of the deceased to live on. We know that both humans and dwarves believe in this, though their beliefs are tailored to their individual races; the elves, however, do not believe in the afterlife, which means that belief in personal spirits is likely nonexistent for their race. These spirits are not the spirits which are used by sorcerers.

A Sentient Being: Spirits, in this case, are natural manifestations of energy – what people in Alagaesia refer to as magic. These spirits are not the spirits referenced by humans and other races when discussing what leaves the body upon death; these are entirely independent conscious beings composed purely of energy.  Again, these spirits are not the souls of sentient creatures returned from the afterlife, but something else entirely.

Christopher has told us (outside of the books) that these spirits are extremely dangerous; they are far more powerful than any human magician… and they’re best avoided. Spirits are not bound to the magical “drawback” which does not allow magicians to cast spells beyond what their own energy can feed. However, spirits do have limitations of their own – limitations which have yet to be revealed. We are unsure what these limitations are, as Christopher has kept them secret – which means they must come up in Book 4!

We also learn that spirits can possess any living being, not just humans – and that this will be eluded to in Book 4.

Where, when, and how have we encountered spirits?

Shades are possessed sorcerers of considerable might. These mighty and evil warriors were once sorcerers of considerable power, able to summon wicked and vengeful spirits from the void. These spirits, bent on possession and mischief, consumed the sorcerer who summoned them, turning him into a vessel or host to perform their bidding. In most cases, possession was unintentional, though there have been cases where the host – the sorcerer at the center of the spell – was a willing participant. Shades are one of the most feared creatures in Alagaesia due to their inhuman strength, capable of besting even the best elven warriors, and their uncanny control of magic.

We have encountered two Shades during the Inheritance cycle:

  • Durza was the first Shade encountered by Eragon’s gang of intrepid explorers. This Shade was the right-hand of Galbatorix responsible for some of the king’s most importance tasks, including ambushing Arya and regaining Saphira’s egg, as well as leading the Urgal army in their attack against the dwarves. Eragon met Durza in combat on two occasions; during their first encounter, Murtagh was able to temporarily remove the Shade by landing an arrow between his eyes. Their second and final encounter, this time in Farthen Dur, saw the death of Durza as he was stabbed in the heart by Eragon.
  • Varaug was the second shade encountered by Eragon and company. This Shade was willingly summoned by a number of sorcerers acting within Feinster. Varaug was not able to live long, as it was impossible for the new Shade to withstand the might of Eragon, Saphira, and Arya. Arya was able to deal a deathblow to the wicked being, dispatching the Shade from Alagaesia within minutes of its unnatural creation.

Sorcerers are one of several types of magicians to walk Alagaesia, including regular magicians, witches, Riders, etc. Sorcerers weave a specific type of magic, which requires the magician to summon and control spirits. A sorcerer has to be incredibly careful of the spirits they summon and maintaining control, as any lapse in judgment or skill can result in the creation of a Shade. Spirits are incredibly powerful beings, allowing knowledgeable and skilled sorcerers to accomplish great magical feats. Because of the risks associated with sorcerer, few choose to pursue this school of magic.

We have encountered one sorcerer and learned about two more during the course of the three books:

  • Haeg and Carsaib are two sorcerers we have heard about through stories and memories. Carsaib was the boy possessed by the spirits who combined created Durza. Haeg was a hermit and Carsaib’s rescuer, as well as his teacher. Haeg’s death at the hand of several murderers drove Carsaib to control powerful spirits in order to gain vengeance against the attackers… a move which resulted in the creation of Durza.
  • Trianna is the series’ more well-known sorceress. As leader of Du Vrangr Gata, the Varden’s . This sorcerer has an arrogant and power-hungry attitude, and it wouldn’t surprise us one bit if she ended up a Shade!

The Brisingr Encounter: During Eragon and Arya’s trip back to the Varden (after Eragon opted to venture through the Empire alone in order to deal with Sloan), a strange cacophony of lights “formed a whirling wall around him and Arya”. Eragon was quite alarmed by the many colored orbs surrounding them, which first touched Arya before moving on to explore Eragon. As he reached out and touched the strange phenomena, the Rider felt a presence enter his mind and brush away his defenses as if they were nothing. As the  spirit filled Eragon with pure joy, he struggled to understand the true nature of this being. Its mind was so foreign to him; he could not discern anything past the distilled joy it spread throughout his body.

After their fantastic encounter with the spirits, Arya attempts to explain to Eragon what it was he encountered. Eragon observed that these spirits looked very different from the ones encountered after the death of Durza, to which Arya informs him that spirits can assume many different guises. He is amazed by the happiness they inspired in him and is angered by the fact that anyone would enslave them to do their bidding. As a parting gift, the spirits left the pair a surprise: they turned the flower Eragon had made for Arya into a rare flower composed of living gems. It would be possible for the flower to grow bigger, and its seeds are capable of reproducing to spread this new type of flower across the land. This encounter hammered home the fact that spirits are both incredibly powerful and exceedingly mysterious.

Important Allies or Formidable Foes?

Christopher has made one thing clear: spirits are incredibly powerful and are to be feared – and most importantly, not underestimated. Yet we’ve seen these powerful beings very few times, in very few situations. Their power has yet to be properly conveyed, and their entire existence – who, or what, they are and what they are capable of – has been shrouded from us, and Eragon, since the start of the first book.

But why hasn’t Eragon, especially after seeing what they are capable of in Brisingr, considered looking more into these spirits? Why has he not started asking around, doing reading and research, or following up on their immense power? Why hasn’t he, or the elves, considered attempting an alliance – or at the very least, a pact – with these creatures in the war against Galbatorix? Surely, like every other sentient creature in Alagaesia, the spirits have realized what is happening to Alagaesia… the sundering, the conflict, the death…

As we’ve discussed previously, the Varden (and the entire rebel movement) is in dire need of any support they can muster. If the spirits were to join Galbatorix’s cause, it would be the final tipping point for the war – pushing things in his favor – and would likely spell the end of the Varden. On the other hand, these spirits would make powerful allies of the Varden… but we have no evidence to support that an allegiance between spirits and a faction has ever happened.

Is there a connection between spirits and the Vault of Souls?

Souls and spirits are similarly defined by the dictionary; each represents a similar meaning… but not within Alagaesia. Is it safe to assume that Christopher, as an author, is referencing the same thing with two different words? Is “souls” another word for “spirits”?

Christopher has mentioned throughout the books and interviews that various raw energy/magic locations exist throughout Alagaesia… examples include the raw magical phenomena discovered in Mani’s Caves and the floating crystal in Eoam. Could these be “plot set-ups” allowing Christopher to connect the Vault of Souls to a “raw magical phenomenon” down the line which, perhaps, offers a connection between the world of humans (and Alagaesia) and the world of the spirits?

One popular theory is that the Vault of Souls is the proper door between the spirit world – where these powerful sentient beings come from – and Alagaesia. Visiting this Vault would offer Eragon the chance to either ally himself with these spirits, or to somehow harness their raw power (which we now know to be incredibly powerful and nearly limitless) in the fight against Galbatorix. We do not believe that it is mere coincidence that we have been introduced to spirits, “raw magic phenomena”, and the power of these spirits… as Helen Beddis, Inheritance Podcast Superstar has said: nothing in a book is coincidence.

The power of the spirits, either channeled through Eragon or fighting alongside the Varden, would be immeasurable; it would also be the sort of curveball that authors enjoy.

What role will spirits play in Book 4?

Spirits are either going to be huge or a dud – we just won’t know until we read Book 4. Christopher has either introduced a very interesting side-plot, offering a unique standalone glimpse at interesting creatures who roam Alagaesia… or he has begun to introduce us to a race that will prove to be incredibly powerful additions in the war against Galbatorix. We’re voting for the latter.

It’s certainly possible that Christopher has included the spirits as a way to justify and explain Shades and the power they possess. In fact, we were all for the belief that spirits would go no further in the cycle than being those creatures which power Shades… until the encounter between Arya, Eragon, and the wild spirits. This scene was too much of a coincidence to ignore; it revealed too much about the spirits and their power to be mere filler. In fact, in a book as long as Brisingr, it would be impractical to assume that such scenes are included as filler. Does an author need filler in a book as action-packed and long as Brisingr? No. Would an editor let it stick around if it had no ramifications on future writing? Unlikely.

Eragon needs incredible power to match the strength of Galbatorix and Murtagh. If not through Eldunari, which fans believe to be unlikely, how else? The Vault of Souls…

…is clearly the key. It’s the sub-title of Book 4. Christopher has told us it’s going to play a key role in Book 4. But what will the role be?

Spirits! Whether through an alliance or by channeling their raw and nearly-limitless power, we believe they will be the final push Eragon and the Varden need to defeat the Empire and topple Galbatorix.

  • Radarlin

    Not the right place for it, but I’m absolutely certain the question Tenga is trying to answer is how to harness the power of light/heat/flame/etc. to use in magic.

  • Sierra

    I think that the floating crystal of Eoam or Mani’s caves may appear in book 4.

  • Guest

    eragon did wish to summon spirits but oromis convinced him not to. therefore, eragon is unlikely to summon spirits

    • Silver9935

      Oromis may have convinced him not to, but that doesn’t mean he won’t someday attempt it. Oromis is dead, and the only other person who knows everything he knew is Galbatorix. If there is no other option, he might, or he may find a way to communicate with them.

  • pearce

    i can not recall hearing about Mani’s Caves and the floating crystal in Eoam. I have read all 3 of the books many times but i cant remember. Help please???

  • pearce

    i can not recall hearing about Mani’s Caves and the floating crystal in Eoam. I have read all 3 of the books many times but i cant remember. Help please???

  • pearce

    i can not recall hearing about Mani’s Caves and the floating crystal in Eoam. I have read all 3 of the books many times but i cant remember. Help please???

    • Dragondodo

      It’s when Arya and Eragon are travelling back to the Varden in Brisingr, and Arya makes a ship out of grass and enchants it

  • Dan

    Maybe the spirits are released from the VOS and they help defeat Galby then one of them possesses a sorceress (Trianna) and becomes the unamed shadow Eragon speaks of in his guide.

  • TARDIS77

    The reason they can’t have an alliance is because they can’t communicate as was said in the book.
    And just because they made Eragon happy dose not mean there good. They made him happy because by doing that they were less likely to be taken control of, also said in the book.

  • Saeb

    I’ve said since ages ago that if the Vault of Souls didn’t hold Eldunarya (which was the going theory at the time) then it would hold spirits which could willingly ‘possess’ Eragon and create a ‘good shade.’ Or perhaps, seeing as it would be voluntary, more or stronger spirits could be involved and Eragon (or somebody else) could become temporarily, a ‘good’ version even stronger than a Shade?

    Alternatively, the wording of this article says that Shades were once sorcerers who were able to summon spirits “from the void.” This is the same language used by Brom when he describes how the dead cannot be brought back to life, and where they go. Coincidence? Could Eragon use spirits to ressurrect somebody? Could Galbatorix use the Eldunarya to control more powerful spirits to try and resurrect Jarnunvosk?

  • Sureou

    could the “new shadow” that posseses alagaesia in the almanac book be the spirits that helped eragon and after winning galbatorix – possesing him?

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  • Marcos0408

    I just thought of a seperate theory. Forgive me if Ya’ll think I copied ya’ll at all. I havent read all of the comments.
    Say the ROK is what Mr.X said, a way to speak to the dead. But didn’t Solombum say to stand on the ROK and speak his name into the VOS???? So I was thinking, what if Eragon stumbles upon it while searching around in the mountains in the middle of the Hadarac desert. So he speaks his name, and the spirits come forth, remembering the name of the only master that they really didnt mind serving. The only master they liked, Eragon I. He asks them why they came, and they show him there memories. So he asks if they’d be willing to follow him simply, at that point, because he had the name of there former master. So they say yes, and he asks them if several of them can fill all of his gems with energy (his gems being BBW, Brisingr, and Aren) and then asks if they could help him to revive Orimis (if his body is still intact) and they agree. So they go to the elves, Saphira obviously taking Eragon, the spirits following, where a few decide to go into him, and not make a Shade, but sort of live in him until the elf decides to go back to the void, which would be evil to make Glaedr live through that pain again (unless they decide to revive Glaedr as well). So they revive Orimis, (& hopefully Glaedr), and they continue their training, heading back to the Hadarac Desert to have a base. There they build there strength and end up being able to stand, not only a fighting chance, but an absolute chance to kill Galby. 

    Any comments??

    • Silvver9935

      I doubt it, there is yet to be a way to communicate with them. And if the first Eragon was a sorcerer, don’t you think Oromis would have mentioned it?

  • Saevus Ventus

    im guessing, just a theory, that somehow the 7 words brom said are linked with the opening the vault of souls and the vault of souls would contain not the orbs of energy but something like eldunari or maybe the power source of the souls themselves 😀 which Eragon will use to destroy Galby 😀

  • cripple who is whole

    when is this week’s big twenty coming out?

  • Arvind

    Spirit brushed past eragon’s defenses easily…so…what if eragon could get One JUST ONE Spirit to join him…use it to screw Galby’s mind…and allow eragn to know whats happening?!

  • OMG!!!!!!! that would be AMAZING!!!!! I  can see Galby getting scared of men in armor and guns marching to his castle, following a really pissed female dragon and her equally pissed Rider

  • OMG!!!!!!! that would be AMAZING!!!!! I  can see Galby getting scared of men in armor and guns marching to his castle, following a really pissed female dragon and her equally pissed Rider

  • OMG!!!!!!! that would be AMAZING!!!!! I  can see Galby getting scared of men in armor and guns marching to his castle, following a really pissed female dragon and her equally pissed Rider

    • firesword52

      they do not have guns just swords and spears

  • thats just stupid, TROLL.

  • More like running to the old elf city of Illrea to kill Galbatorix themselves. Ticked off is to nice to describe the fury the elves will have if they knew of the HOH.

  • That would be cool if it would happen, but really?? Saphira isn’t about to just let Galbatorix anywhere CLOSE to Eragon if its within her power. However, If he was to say that to Saphira, then I’m pretty sure that Eragon, with the help of Saphira and Glaedr, utters a spell that will free Saphira long enough to kill Galbatorix. Maybe the spirits show up on orders by Trianna to see be her eyes and see what happens in the throne room.

  • If I get what I want, Nobody.

  • Anonymous

    Off topic question… this might have been already answered… How many parts is the interview?

    • It is in two parts. I’m sure they are holding the second part to keep people coming back since there is not likely to be much more news about the series between now and the release date.

  • Darling

    GUYS ITS SO OBVIOUS the menoa tree already took something from Eragon…………
    she took his ability to have kids.

    • Anonymous

      I think the squirming sensation Eragon feels would have been slightly lower down, if you know what I mean….

    • Niniach

      Maybe she took Saphira’s heart of hearts…

      • I will kill someone if she took his ability to have kids. But I think she already took half of her payment for the brightsteel. didnt he feel this wierd kinds pit sensation at the base of his belly???

      • I will kill someone if she took his ability to have kids. But I think she already took half of her payment for the brightsteel. didnt he feel this wierd kinds pit sensation at the base of his belly???

      • I will kill someone if she took his ability to have kids. But I think she already took half of her payment for the brightsteel. didnt he feel this wierd kinds pit sensation at the base of his belly???

    • Lil Uhura

      Perhaps she planted a magical seed in his belly that would eventually kill him, thus necessitating his removal from Alagaesia so he could be free from the magical influence of the Menoa tree.

  • Nicholasmack55

    I think it would be incredible if the spirits decided to channel their strength into Eragon for a last no-holds-barred battle between Galby and the Varden.

  • Nicholasmack55

    I think it would be incredible if the spirits decided to channel their strength into Eragon for a last no-holds-barred battle between Galby and the Varden.

    • your right. That would be cool, but what about the Menoa Tree?? If Eragon defeats Galby with the help of the spirits, what if the Menoa asks for energy.

      • Jarnunvosk

        I think it’s more likely that the Menoa tree would ask Eragon to help her with something – likely to ease her suffering. She may ask Eragon to sing her out of the tree, but I don’t think she’d ask something that would diminish his ability to fight Galbatorix. She would know that such a demand would be a risk to the Elves, and by extension herself and Du Weldenvarden. 

        • Ya, but like she said “she breaths fire, and fires must be quenched.” Do you think she might to kill Saphira, and that’s why he has to leave Algeasia???

  • Nicholasmack55

    I think it would be incredible if the spirits decided to channel their strength into Eragon for a last no-holds-barred battle between Galby and the Varden.

  • Dominique

    I love reading these! They offer up such interesting things to consider. I miss the little polls at the bottom of them though 🙁

  • Dominique

    I love reading these! They offer up such interesting things to consider. I miss the little polls at the bottom of them though 🙁

  • Dominique

    I love reading these! They offer up such interesting things to consider. I miss the little polls at the bottom of them though 🙁

  • Márcia Louro

    I’m kind oh worry about what the tree Menoa will ask to eragon . because when she asked him what he will give her in change of the metal to the sword he sayd “anything” . and then I remember about the urgal history :s . and now i’m worry about that

    • What do you mean the urgal history?? but now im worried for the other one of the two. First Roran with Birgit, now Eragon and the Menoa Tree. but what if she askes for Saphira’s energy, & I mean ALL of her energy. Maybe that’s why he has to run away from Algaesia.

      • I don’t think you need to worry too much about these events. It is unlikely that Birgit will try to kill Roran. She gave Katrina away to Roran at their wedding, ultimately I think she will probably die before she gets the chance to kill Roran or he will die by some other means. As for the Menoa tree, I think she has already taken what she wanted from Eragon. Remember the pain in his stomach before she went back to sleep. There are several events in the series that lead me to this conclusion, but I think she took sperm from Eragon to have children. My evidence is as follows: the Menoa tree is a unique creature in Alegasia and she was very intrigued by Eragon’s uniqueness. There was the urgal story about promising something that you have no idea what it is, in that case there was a child taken from the urgal mother. CP has stated that elf children are more powerful and will play a big role in book 4. So far we have only seen 2 elf children and I think that many more will be needed to tip the scales. I dont think the menoa tree would have taken something that would hurt Eragon, why would she help him only to hurt him?

        • Well, that would make some sense, but if she did take sperm from him to produce, then how are they to be born in time to help?? And no elf will let the children of the Menoa Tree to go into battle to die just the same way any normal human wouldn’t torture a child to find our where his mother is.

          • Well we know nothing about the gestationof elves and there is always magical acceleration. The menoa tree deffinately has the magic to accelerate their growth. Paolini has said elven children play a large role in book 4. Thus I think elven children do fight.

          • Connorclimo

            outta curiousity “WTF” is the menoa tre gunna with the sperm, The smith said the children are the greatest reponsbility in there life so they wont just have eragons kids…….just realized technically the tree raped eragon oooooooooooooo awkward

          • No she would have had his consent. She said give me what I want and he said yes even if he didn’t know.

          • Connorclimo

            He accepted on the terms, because it looked like he had no other choice so now the tree has something of eragon that he cant do anything about, and ive been thinking, what the werecat said to eragon about the vault of souls “….and when seems lost seek out the vault of souls” (something like that, maybe hes lost everything like roran, saphira and maybe arya, so maybe he seeks the vault of souls in desperation, and he may bring them bak cos he might have confronted galby  a bit to early and they got hammered

      • I don’t think you need to worry too much about these events. It is unlikely that Birgit will try to kill Roran. She gave Katrina away to Roran at their wedding, ultimately I think she will probably die before she gets the chance to kill Roran or he will die by some other means. As for the Menoa tree, I think she has already taken what she wanted from Eragon. Remember the pain in his stomach before she went back to sleep. There are several events in the series that lead me to this conclusion, but I think she took sperm from Eragon to have children. My evidence is as follows: the Menoa tree is a unique creature in Alegasia and she was very intrigued by Eragon’s uniqueness. There was the urgal story about promising something that you have no idea what it is, in that case there was a child taken from the urgal mother. CP has stated that elf children are more powerful and will play a big role in book 4. So far we have only seen 2 elf children and I think that many more will be needed to tip the scales. I dont think the menoa tree would have taken something that would hurt Eragon, why would she help him only to hurt him?

      • I just thought, maybe the menoa tree will ask for all dragons to leave alegasia and never return.

  • Márcia Louro

    Maybe they will help eragon take the eldunari from galby 🙂

  • Saleem Mattil

    Rock of Kuthian is related to the Dwarves.. they have an important role in this book n are not just fillers.. i belive it related to either the rock garden erago saw with Orik.. it signifies they are far more formidable than what is shown so far.. that is why the elves are not familiar with it as its a secret of the dwarves.. not related to elves.. we all saw how gunthera amazed eragon with its conscience.. i am guessing dwarves and eragons role as a member of their clan is going to be what relates to rock of kuthian.. s menoa tree related to elves..

  • This is off topic, but is anyone else scared for Roran?? I mean, Birgit wants to kill him for being associated to her husband’s death at the beaks of the Ra’zac. & I’m pretty sure she would kill Eragon without a second thought for the same reason, but Saphira would kill her before that happend. And what about Glaedr?? Am I the only one who thinks that he will only get out of his depression at losing Orimis with some SERIOUS  coxing by Eragon, Saphira, and Arya?? I mean, we might not even see Glaedr being any help cause he’s mourning Orimis. Any thoughts??

    • Like seriously?? No one else is scared that Roran will die by the hand of one of the villagers? & what if Roran is the knew Rider??

    • Sarah

      Good point. I had thought about that situation with Glaedr, and I have to agree with you.

      • Marcos0408

        Ya, I mean, supposidly Glaedr said that he and Orimis talked it over, but we see that no one is ever ready to lose there other half, and rightly so. But we need Glaedr no more than ever. Who’s to say that he won’t feel magic and destroy himself??

      • Marcos0408

        Ya, I mean, supposidly Glaedr said that he and Orimis talked it over, but we see that no one is ever ready to lose there other half, and rightly so. But we need Glaedr no more than ever. Who’s to say that he won’t feel magic and destroy himself??

      • Marcos0408

        Ya, I mean, supposidly Glaedr said that he and Orimis talked it over, but we see that no one is ever ready to lose there other half, and rightly so. But we need Glaedr no more than ever. Who’s to say that he won’t feel magic and destroy himself??

    • Sarah

      Good point. I had thought about that situation with Glaedr, and I have to agree with you.

    • Sarah

      Good point. I had thought about that situation with Glaedr, and I have to agree with you.

    • Connorclimo

      Glaedr will in my mine intervine where neccersary like really important questions or when asked a questions, but if he wasnt important in the 4th book then christopher wouldnt have made him go inside his heart of hearts so he might be very important in saving eragon/killing galby, plus if anyone remembers the fortunes given to eragon by angela when it says “you shall leave algasia and never return” i think he might go to vrongard (mind the spelling) and train the next gen of dragon riders, cos someone bonin saphira 😉 probs the future arya dragon (maybe) 

  • Elizabeth

    Shouldn’t that say alluded to, not eluded to?

    • Nicholasmack55

      good, I thought I was just crazy.

  • Rgjhsiog

    At least half of Brisingr seems to be filler… (i.e. the Dwarves)

    • Sarah

      But what if it isn’t filler? What if Eragon’s stay with the dwarves plays an important role in book 4?

      • It has to be, or else it wouldn’t even have made it to book 3. Now the real question is, why would Christopher put in the going on’s of the elves, his attack at the hands of Durgimst Az Swelden rak Anhuin, and the banishment of the clan unless he was giving us a look into what was going to be needed to defeat Galby. We already have alll the races of Algaesia going for his downfall, why would we need to know all the insignificant details of the clanmeet??

        • Connorclimo

          Marcos havent u read the couple of sentences given by amazon it says “something” look at it, if its true i will be…..upset

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            type in inheritence and near-ist the bottom it shows a short sample chapter follow that

  • Jarnunvosk

    Honestly, this article lost all credibility for me when it described Trianna as being “arrogant and power-hungry.” She started out being a very shallow character – willing to seduce Eragon to get magic out of him – but that doesn’t make her power-hungry. In fact, there’s a scene (in Brisingr, if I remember correctly) where she admits that she has NEVER SUMMONED A SPIRIT BEFORE. And that she wouldn’t, unless there was literally no other option for her. That doesn’t seem power-hungry or arrogant to me – in fact, it seems like the thought process of a humble and wise woman. 

    • Matt

      I remember a conversation somewhere when Eragon was told that Trianna had used sorcery once after much coaxing from Ajihad. Also when they refer to her being “arrogant and power hungry”, I believe they refer to her contempt towards Nasuada in Eldest when she is given orders regarding the lace and her attitude when Eragon went to take control of DVG when he first arrived on the Burning Plains. We really don’t see much of her in the books except those few instances so we are limited to them when judging her character.

      • Peters1612

        The conversation you mean is just after the moment with the wild spirits in brisingr and Eragon tells Arya that no one should bind those kind of spirits to their will, and he will punish Trianna and banish her from Du Vrangr Gata. And Arya tells him to not be so rash because she has only known one time when Trianna has actually summoned spirits…

        • Jarnunvosk

          My memory’s broken, then. But the statement still serves: she only summoned one spirit, and only to prove she could. (Brisingr, page 214). And just because somebody is rightfully angry that their valuable skills are being put to use doing something as mundane and demeaning as being a seamstress, doesn’t make them arrogant. She had every right to be offended by what Nasuada ordered her to do. The fact that she submitted and did it proves that she’s not really that arrogant – proud, to be sure, but not arrogant. 
          As for “power-hungry,” on pages 599-601 of Eldest, Eragon informs Trianna of his intentions to take over Du Vrangr Gata. She first asks him by whose order he’s taking command – a perfectly good question, as only Nasuada really had the influence to make that call. Trianna denies that Nasuada has the authority, and Eragon threatens the removal of Varden protection from Du Vrangr Gata. She then asks him by what right he feels he should lead the more experienced magicians, and what his plan is. He doesn’t even answer the first question, and dodges the fact by actually having a good, solid plan. In this scene, Trianna does nothing except try to keep Du Vrangr Gata from falling apart under an inept commander. As soon as she realizes Eragon actually knows what he’s doing now, she gets to the point: is Nasuada replacing her because she has lost faith in her? Eragon avoids the question again. But he does get a read on Trianna, and realizes the main part of her trouble is that she doesn’t really know why she’s being replaced. He assures her that he’s not here to steal her authority, and basically assigns her as his lieutenant. Immature though Eragon is, I doubt he would allow a power-hungry, arrogant sorcerer to be his right hand. Even he would be able to judge the risk of Trianna getting angered enough to summon a spirit that could (at best) kill him or (at worst) possess Trianna or anyone else present. 

          Another point: when a Shade is created, does the spirit always possess the summoner, or could a spirit posses another magician present? The only time we’ve seen a spirit being summoned, it was being summoned directly into a sorcerer by a circle of magicians. So could a sorcerer then summon a spirit directly into themselves or an unwilling host? Could a spirit take control of any magician of its own choice, or would the summoning spells have enough strictures on the spirit to prevent that?

          • Dominique

            Your very last paragraph holds and interesting question. It would be really bad if the summoner could bend the spirit to posses other people for sure.

          • Jarnunvosk

            The way I see it, what if Galbatorix, desperate to prevent Eragon from accomplishing his mission, decided that he doesn’t need to control him, just to knock him off track? If Galbatorix summoned a spirit into Eragon and turned him into a Shade, is there any way for Eragon to release the spirit without taking a blade through the heart?

          • There has never been a Shade that returned to what they used to be by there own means. If there was, then there would have been stories of it. Besides, a spirit thats trapped in a clay form(humans), will spend its entire captivity looking for loopholes to escape. The only one Ive seen is being stabbed in the heart.

          • This is how the second shade was created at the end of Brisingr. The three magicians summoned the spirits before they were killed. In the end, the spirits possessed the man in the middle. Obviously the spirits can be summoned to possess someone other than the spell caster. The real question is if that person has to be willing, or their true name used, etc. Eragon would probably be able to fight off such a possession by spirits, at least with Saphira’s help. But this type of encounter with spirits would degrade the mystery and awe surrounding them in my opinion, so I doubt Paolini would write it in. 

  • Anonymous

    I never really thought much about the spirits…. I kinda always thought that they were just going to kinda help Eragon along (after the whole flower thing) and yeahh…. I didn’t think they would join the army. I think they are too free to be tied down to one side 

    • Alli Harpel

      I agree, they are far too independant too be tied down, but say Galby did something to threaten thier independance…

      • Emeraldis

        what could threaten the independence of a SPIRIT? even if he summoned a whole bunch w/ Eldunari, unslaved spirits would attack (maybe). has CP mentioned random spirit attacks? 

        • Anonymous

          Well they aren’t spirits like how we think of spirits

        • Anonymous

          Well they aren’t spirits like how we think of spirits

        • Cklepp

          Well, remember the razac saying galby has almost discovered “the name, the true name”. If this true name is the name of the ancient language, which either oromis or brom (I can’t remember who) said would be a word of immense power, than he could do pretty much whatever he wanted, including enslaving spirits.

        • Cklepp

          Well, remember the razac saying galby has almost discovered “the name, the true name”. If this true name is the name of the ancient language, which either oromis or brom (I can’t remember who) said would be a word of immense power, than he could do pretty much whatever he wanted, including enslaving spirits.

          • Thats impossible. Ya, it would be of immense power, but say Tenga was looking for that. With all his scrolls, it would take him YEARS, maybe DECADES of searching to say, I think I have it. Galby’s been in hiding for 2 1/2 years. thats to short a time period.

          • ConnorClimo

            But i think i remember oromis or brom (cant remember) saying that the grey folk (early generation of elves) almost destroyed the world whilst almost finding the true word, so it could also be a backfire on galby’s part

          • Mr-x

            who say’s the grey folk are an early generation of elves? more likely they are a race of their own/ predecessors of human’s.

      • Anonymous

        Thats true…

  • Eldarion

    What podcast?

  • The Green dragon

    PODCAST?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!

  • The Green dragon

    PODCAST?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!

    • It’s coming today!

      I believe it is 1 hour and 8 minutes long…

      • inheritance fan

        why so short? this week?

        • Coasterking

          lauren must have forgoten how 2 talk

          • I believe Mike was on cruise control…nobody could keep up!

          • I believe Mike was on cruise control…nobody could keep up!

        • The Green dragon

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      • Coasterking

        booooooooooooo

      • The Green dragon

        Yay! on time! just wish it had been out before school started.

      • Coasterking

         if its done please post it

      • Irock13198

        so when are you going to post it O Great Bob

    • It’s coming today!

      I believe it is 1 hour and 8 minutes long…

    • It’s coming today!

      I believe it is 1 hour and 8 minutes long…

  • The Green dragon

    PODCAST?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!

  • Aplussoccerkid

    I just read an article in Popular Science magazine about a robot dragon named Saphira. The people that built it liked the Inheritance Cycle.

  • I have three questions:
    1. When somebody ‘summons’ spirits, do they summon them from another dimension or do they just call spirits that are scattered in the world/vicinity?
    2. Carsaib (I hope i spelled it right) called upon ‘strong spirits’ who then turned over him and turned him into Durza. Does this mean that you have different techniques to call spirits of different strengths or you can control how powerful the spirits will be when you call them or is it just a coincidence?
    3. When spirits take over somebody, does and memory or existence of that person remains in the body or everything is destroyed and it is just like a new person born in another body with huge power (and ability to speak). 

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      I think I can these questions for you. First, memories must remain in some form because eragon was experiencing Durza’s memories as Carsaib after trying to break his mind. Second, and this is only speculation, perhaps the sorcerer has control over how many spirits they summon to use, so there would be a potential of a weak sorcerer summoning one spirit and being overwhelmed. Also it may have to do with the type of spirit summoned or the intent of the spellcaster that draws good or evil spirits. Third, speculation again, but I believe that they are summoning spirits already within the world.

      • Thanks RogerLairdWriting, they really answered my questions

        • No problem, always like to help and offer insight from an authors point of view.

    • Jarnunvosk

      I envision it as being similar to the method of summoning spirits/djinn from the Bartimaeus Trilogy – the magician has a standard summoning spell that must be recited in a dead language (Latin, ancient Aramaic, etc.) that includes the name of the spirit being summoned. Spirits of greater power require greater spells, larger pentagrams, and more strictures to ensure the magician’s will is forced on the spirit, or else the spirit can kill the magician and return to the Other Place. I imagine that sorcerers in Alagaesia have similar manuscripts to the magicians in the Bartimaeus Trilogy that compile the names of spirits that can be summoned, as well as certain attributes of the spirit. 

      • Emeraldis

        the spirits have names, but i don;t think the sorcerers know them

        • Jarnunvosk

          Then how do they identify the spirits they summon? If it’s like knocking on the door of a halfway house (you never know who’s going to answer) that makes this particular type of sorcery officially the stupidest form of magic EVER. In any franchise, in any fandom. There has to be some sort of constant involved – Paolini has shown us he likes for his magic to have rules and constants, particularly in the scene where King Orrin is playing with the vial of mercury. There has to be a method to the madness here, as well – maybe not in how the spirits work their magic, but definitely in how the sorcerers summon them. 

    • Jarnunvosk

      I envision it as being similar to the method of summoning spirits/djinn from the Bartimaeus Trilogy – the magician has a standard summoning spell that must be recited in a dead language (Latin, ancient Aramaic, etc.) that includes the name of the spirit being summoned. Spirits of greater power require greater spells, larger pentagrams, and more strictures to ensure the magician’s will is forced on the spirit, or else the spirit can kill the magician and return to the Other Place. I imagine that sorcerers in Alagaesia have similar manuscripts to the magicians in the Bartimaeus Trilogy that compile the names of spirits that can be summoned, as well as certain attributes of the spirit. 

    • jonesk2

      1. Chris hasn’t mentioned but I’ve always assumed they were in Alagaesia, not a different dimension.
      2. Carsaib called upon spirits that were too powerful for him to control. I believe that the reason sorcerer’s must focus so intensely is to maintain some control over the spirits they summon. his anger overcame him allowing evil/powerful spirits to take him over.
      3. The memory, at least, remains. If this were not so, Eragon wouldn’t have seen all of the memories of Carsaib in the last little bit of “Eragon.”

    • jonesk2

      1. Chris hasn’t mentioned but I’ve always assumed they were in Alagaesia, not a different dimension.
      2. Carsaib called upon spirits that were too powerful for him to control. I believe that the reason sorcerer’s must focus so intensely is to maintain some control over the spirits they summon. his anger overcame him allowing evil/powerful spirits to take him over.
      3. The memory, at least, remains. If this were not so, Eragon wouldn’t have seen all of the memories of Carsaib in the last little bit of “Eragon.”

    • jonesk2

      1. Chris hasn’t mentioned but I’ve always assumed they were in Alagaesia, not a different dimension.
      2. Carsaib called upon spirits that were too powerful for him to control. I believe that the reason sorcerer’s must focus so intensely is to maintain some control over the spirits they summon. his anger overcame him allowing evil/powerful spirits to take him over.
      3. The memory, at least, remains. If this were not so, Eragon wouldn’t have seen all of the memories of Carsaib in the last little bit of “Eragon.”

  • petrik

    hmmm – very interesting topic
    I am still willing to believe that spirits are too independent and unpredictable creatures that do not cares about the happenings in Alagaesia and that they will not play role of any great importance in book IV and that their meeting with eragon and arya in Brisingr means nothing for the future of the story, but… the reasons that autor of this article presents for the opposite are quite convincing.

    if I admit the idea of spirits to play important role in defeating galbatorix, I can only think about one “honorable” way – spirits would have to join the varden out of their free will. no way they can be “forced” into anything by summoning and enslaving them the way sorcerers do, it would not be the “right” thing to do, not the right way how to defeat galby.

    so how can spirits join the varden? they can just come and say “we want to fight with you”, but that is extremely unlikely. somebody (most probably eragon) would have to sonvince them to help the varden against galbatorix. but for that, he would have to know the way how to communicate with them – which he does not know yet. maybe it will be possible through that mysterious vault of souls… maybe that is what Tenga is searching for – the location of Rock of Khutian and through it the way to communicate with the spirits… if he finds out and brings this information to Eragon, that would IMO be nice role for him to play in book IV. what do you think?

    but as I think about it over and over again, I just can´t imagine Eragon to defeat galbatorix by becoming more powerful than him. (through spirits or some other way) no, it doesn´t seem probable to me.
    IMO he will defeat galbatorix by being smarter than him, not through pure “strenght”. IMO Eragon will somehow manage to part galbatorix from his eldunari. maybe the last spell that oromis taught him (oromis asked eragon to choose any type of magic he wants to be taught, and at the end eragon choosed sending objects through great distances which oromis commented to be excellent choice) will play some role – maybe eragon will somehow manage to send all galbatorix´s eldunari to the other side of Alagaesia… just my 2 cents

    PS – sorry for my english, not my first language

    • They are to independent, but if Tenga finds the answer, and starts looking for where the VOS is and Eragon happens to pay a visit when Tenga is about to stumble on “the answer to the question”, then that would be a nice role, but that would only be maybe a page and a half if Chris wants to make them argue. However, what I think will happen is this. 

      Eragon is sleeping with saphira when Arya walks by to talk to Eragon. But, he’s asleep and Arya starts to turn to leave when she sees several wild spirits floating/ flying towards them. Eragon wakes from a nightmare (maybe he’s reliving the Battle above Gil’ead as Glaedr) looks around and sees the spirits. Saphira growls as they get closer, but Eragon tells her that these are not to be battled, since the spirits could easily kill them all and float away. Then the spirits relize that these creatures were the ones who freed the spirits trapped in Durza and Varaug, and come closer. They fill Brisingr, Aren, the Belt of Beloth the Wise, with enough energy to move Du Weldenvarden into the Hadarac Desert, and fill Eragon, Arya, and Saphira with the energy they need, and sends them to VOS as a thanks offering for freeing there bretheren. There Eragon, if Mr. x’s theory has any credibility (but i want that to be the VOS, and not the vault where Galby holds all the HOH’s. That sounds boring.) will speak with Vrael, the old leader of the Rider’s before the Fall, Orimis for any advice he has that found during his battle with Murtorix, Brom to say Chris knows what to his father, and maybe Eragon I and Garrow, Eragon I for anything that could be helpful, and Garrow to apoligize for getting him killed. That’s really the only thing that I can see the spirits helping, but how this fits with Eragon being in prison, I dont know.

  • Mr-x

    The vault of soul’s might just be a gateway in which eragon could speak to the spirit’s of brom vrael oromis eragon I and so forth Brom for advice/one to one fatherly talk vrael for his wisdom oromis because he would surely have something to say to eragon a weakness he discovered in his fight with murtorix AkA murtagh when galby possessed him and eragon I because he would surely have something of importance to say. not the best theory but it’s definitely something right?

    • Marcos Rodriguez

      Your right, not the best, but most definetly had me thinking. What if all the rider’s since the Fall were trapped there?? Eragon would have the entire Dragon Rider Corps in front of him to help him any way they can to defeat Galby.

  • Oshjosh93

    Why would the spirits care about the war between Galbie and the Varden?  It doesn’t affect them at all – no matter which sides win, the spirits will go on being mysterious and powerful.

    • Svit-kona

      Agreed (: I think if ther is any way for the spirits to become involved in the war it will be through a shade. I’m more in the favor of a possible good shade or maybe a shade that is more aware of his/her concience. Which may be willing to help the cause. Also I’m not sure on if ther could be a spicific number of spirits within a single body but my theory is Trianna will become that “good shade” with just one spirit contained inside allowing her greater control.

      Whats everyone think?

  • How could you even begin to think that Trianna would become a shade?!?!?

    First of all, for all her pride and arrogance, she still puts the Varden first. While she thought Du Vrangr Gata above making lace, she still obeyed Nasuada’s order.

    Second, she only became that way after she was handed the leadership of Du Vrangr Gata, and only then because she thought Eragon was attempting to take the position away.

    Third, Ajihad said that the only time he ever saw Trianna summon a spirit, she locked herself away and prepared herself mentally and physically for weeks before she finally did so, and only after a loooong time of Ajihad asking her to summon one.

    Fourth, what kind of situation is going to see Trianna, of all people, trying to summon a spirit in the fourth book? I thought Eragon was supposed to be the sorcerer in this one.

  • eebi

    How on earth would you, first of all, manage to find a spirit (short of summoning it, and that usually ends badly) and, second, manage to communicate with it? The spirits Eragon and Arya encounter in Brisingr just run through your body and mind, but you can’t exactly communicate with them. Eragon can’t even really get into the spirit’s “mind.”
    Also, if the Vault of Souls puts you in touch with spirits, again, how would Eragon manage to communicate with them? And unless they voluntarily allow him to harness their energy because they sense that he killed Durza and Varaug, harnessing them without their permission would not be good at all.
    Really, the person who said that Eragon would go to the Vault of Souls and say that his power was insufficient and that the spirits would allow him to harness them was probably right. If Christopher doesn’t throw us a curveball and make the Vault of Souls something with no association to spirits…

  • Sdgsd

    I think you meant “alluded” not “eluded” in the second section.

    • Thought I was the only one that noticed. xD

    • Thought I was the only one that noticed. xD

  • As if communicating with werecats wasn’t bad enough, imagine trying the same with spirits? They sound like the type of being that if they got bored with you they could teleport you onto the top of a mountain, or turn you into a frog or something…

    • Anonymous

      Maybe this is how Eragon gets to the VOS.

  • Stephen

    I bet Haeg is actually Tenga

    • Laetrikiwi

      too bad haeg died and thats why carsaib summoned the spirits to make him durza.

      • Rogerlairdwriting

        Yeah and too bad this was pointed out further down the page. I wish people would read comments before spewing the same thing over again stupidly.

  • TheWindsWhisper

    I have never really considered the importance of spirits until now. They have always sat on the sidelines in the Inheritance cycle and there have been few encounters with them. Of all the theories stated above the one that seems most likely to me is the Varden-spirit alliance. However it raises more questions then it defeats. CP has humbly described spirits vastly powerful, yet sentient and neutral. A being like a spirit would be immensely difficult to track down, and harder still to approach.  

    One thing about Varaug that stood out to me was that when he saw Aren he said “your ring is full of light, it will feed us for a long time”. This hints that spirits have an affinity for energy, the Varden could give spirits energy in exchange for their services. In reading this you might ask yourself, “self where would the Varden get that much energy?” To which I would reply, the source has been with us for some time now-Naegling. There is vast reserve of strength hidden in the swords gem. If Islanzadi were kind enough to give the energy in Naegling to Eragon he might be able to recruit some spirits for the Varden. 

  • zaid bhatti

    I have a new theory if Spirits have unlimited power, can a magician use the spirit’s power to bring someone back to life (if there body is still intact) Brom for example, his body is wrapped in diamond and preserved and by using spirits power/energy there is no danger to the spell caster life. what does everyone think please let me know 🙂

    • There would have to be some way to preserve the hold over the spirit. Most likely, the infinite power necessary to pull someone back to life actually is infinite. It’s not like Eragon would be able to revive Brom with a one-time payment. The spirit would probably have to continue to give energy for as long as Brom lives.

      Interestingly, that would mean that taking energy from a spirit would make anyone invincible/immortal.

      • Comett

        Well said, I got the impression that bringing spirits/people back from the dead wasn’t just a case of “we don’t have enough energy”, but rather “the void after death just saps all our energy regardless of how much we fuel it”.

    • Emeraldis

      i think that that’s 1 of the few limitations of spirits

  • Crisb

    Umm this sounds kind of familiar, when Aragorn goes into to aquire the help of Dunharrow, the spirits of the men of the White Mountain… ,I love these books, but the similarities are eerie. The only thing that makes a difference between these two instances is that these spirits aren’t human, and they didn’t betray Isildur. Then again that might not happen at all and I could be completely wrong =

    • TheWindsWhisper

      Not trying to be offensive or anything but you probably are wrong. The Army of the Dead as seen in The Lord Of The Rings, the Return Of The King already owed Isildur a favor, since he was killed at Gladden Fields the army then owed its allegiance to his next heir,eventually ending with Aragorn, because he desperatly needed help against Sauron’s armies. 

      The Army of the Dead drew criticism from some because it was really Deus ex machina, that would also be the case in Inheritance if Eragon used such a thing to defeat Galbatorix. It wouldn’t be a very satisfactory of believable ending to the story and it would usher in a firestorm of protest because it would plagerize the Return Of The King, and CP would not want that because people only just stopped saying he plagerized from Star Wars.Whatever the spirit role will be in Inheritance, I highly doubt it will be that.  

      • Adilas73

        Read the books, the movies are not the same.

        • TheWindsWhisper

          I have read the books

      • AzureSkye

        Um, no, not really. The Army of the Dead was allied with the Numenoreans, but broke the alliance and refused to fight in the War of the Last Alliance, because they had worshiped Sauron before Elendil had ever come to Middle-earth. So Isildur cursed them. It had nothing to do with the Disaster of the Gladden Fields, which was all caused by the Ring. 

      • AzureSkye

        Um, no, not really. The Army of the Dead was allied with the Numenoreans, but broke the alliance and refused to fight in the War of the Last Alliance, because they had worshiped Sauron before Elendil had ever come to Middle-earth. So Isildur cursed them. It had nothing to do with the Disaster of the Gladden Fields, which was all caused by the Ring. 

    • Er…not trying to be offensive, but there’s a good reason for that. A lot of CP’s story lines are based on older stories (Star Wars, King Hrothgar from Beowulf, etc.).

      THIS IS NOT A BAD THING!!! This is the archetypal hero’s journey. It’s not exactly that CP is stealing from them, it’s that a good story about a hero always follows a similar path. My English teachers like to say that not since the time of Greece has an entirely new story been written.

  • Alec Venecia

    Totally unrelated. Really aimless comment. Just having withdrawals, can’t stop thinking about this book, it’s so close. It’s on my mind, a lot!

  • hoke

    This is unrelated to spirits, but what do yall think of Greenie being a wild dragon? Of the three dragons that we have seen all have matching eyes and scales (Saphira-blue; Thorn-red; Glaedr-gold). These three dragons were all bound to riders as well. Greenie’s eyes don’t match its scales so we can’t rule out the possibility of it being a wild dragon. Also, where in the books did it say the color of the dragon eggs Galbatorix had/has? Murtagh says that the last egg is male, but I don’t believe he said the color of the egg. Christopher said that there are no riders or their dragons outside of the ones we know, so it could be possible that there is a wild draon.

    • Guest

      I don’t remember which interview it was, but I believe that Christopher said that the last egg was green. Also, if you look closely at the cover of “Inheritance”, Greenie’s eyes do look yellow, but not as yellow as Glaedr’s, as some fans believe. In fact it’s more of a yellowish-green color, just not emerald green as some people believe it should be.

      • hoke

        Exactly, it is not green. In Christopher’s most recent interview he said that Greenie’s eye color would be significant, and in my opinion Greenie’s eyes don’t have a trace of green anywhere in them. The part of his eyes that are lit up look just as yellow as Glaedr’s too.

        • It may be significant, but it’s already confirmed that Greenie is the one in the last egg. Not sure how the eyes will work out, but it’s an intriguing idea to consider wild dragons, obviously.

          Has CP denied having both Greenie AND wild dragons?

          • hoke

            good question dsty. i think it would be cool if a wild dragon played a part. the green egg fragment in eldest maybe…

  • Coasterking

    is there going to be a week with 2 big 20w cause like the podcasts you skiped one week of duing a big 20?

  • Coasterking

    is there going to be a week with 2 big 20w cause like the podcasts you skiped one week of duing a big 20?

  • Coasterking

    great article pearsonley i think the vault of souls is still eldunri because that is basicaly a dragons soul but i could be wrong

  • Anonymous

    Eragon will stab Galbatorix with Brisingr. Galbatorix will look down at the sword sticking out of his chest, shrug, raise his hands and accidentally say ‘brisingr’ – you see the hilarity of the situation….

    • Tmnt

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    • Rogerlairdwriting

      That would be funny.

    • Guest

      Yes, but only Eragon can say Brisingr’s name and it ignite

      • Anonymous

        Well, there goes my theory! 😛

      • Rogerlairdwriting

        Not necessarily, only Eragon has said brisingr to ignite it.

        • Matt

          Rhunon tried to do it after he first did it himself and it didn’t work.
           

          • Rogerlairdwriting

            Yes but that doesnt rule out everyone else.

      • EternalShade

        No, Eragon is the only one who can casually and without TRYING to, set Brisingr on fire. Anyone else could do it on purpose, including Rhunon. She was seeing if it would light for her without her putting energy into her words.

    • Arya<3

      lol but why would he randomly say brisingr.. even if he doesn’t know about the sword. 

      • Tom_riva

        Maybe he says something like: ‘Eragon! You stabbed me! With Brisingr! How could…’ but he never finishes his sentence, becuase at that point he’s already on fire. 😉

  • Rogerlairdwriting

    If spirits are not subject to the limits of energy for magic, then knowing what eragon does about drawing the energy of his spells from other beings, and using a spirit to do this with would give him unlimited power, pending the further limitations of spirits of course.

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      Really any magician could do this and word the spell as an absolute “kill galbatorix” and drew the energy on the spirit, then if no energy limitation exists, galbatorix’s wards would be drained until they failed or galbatorix severed them and he would die. Probably too easy of a solution to happen, but deffinitely plausable.

      • Me

        The only drawback would be having to bind the spirit to actually obey you, which I guess is why sorcery’s so dangerous.

      • Me

        The only drawback would be having to bind the spirit to actually obey you, which I guess is why sorcery’s so dangerous.

        • Rogerlairdwriting

          There is the possibility of an alliance that is discussed, so I would theorize that it is a willing spirit or spirits.

      • Then you end up killing like 500 dragon hearts, too…right?

        • Rogerlairdwriting

          This is something I dont know, do dragons in eldunari die when the energy is gone or is it that they slowlybstart to gain power again over time. This begs the question is it worth it if they die.

          • Jalong410

            C.P. himself said that if a HOH runs out of energy, the dragon inside dies.

          • Anonymous

            This becomes a tough issue. If the dragons couldn’t be freed otherwise, then I think they would prefer to die rather than go on living as Galbatorix’s slaves. If this was the only way to stop Galbatorix, then I don’t think anyone would begrudge anyone for doing it.

      • Then you end up killing like 500 dragon hearts, too…right?

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      Really any magician could do this and word the spell as an absolute “kill galbatorix” and drew the energy on the spirit, then if no energy limitation exists, galbatorix’s wards would be drained until they failed or galbatorix severed them and he would die. Probably too easy of a solution to happen, but deffinitely plausable.

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      Really any magician could do this and word the spell as an absolute “kill galbatorix” and drew the energy on the spirit, then if no energy limitation exists, galbatorix’s wards would be drained until they failed or galbatorix severed them and he would die. Probably too easy of a solution to happen, but deffinitely plausable.

  • Rogerlairdwriting

    If spirits are not subject to the limits of energy for magic, then knowing what eragon does about drawing the energy of his spells from other beings, and using a spirit to do this with would give him unlimited power, pending the further limitations of spirits of course.

  • The Quest

    I think that Tenga becomes/is a Shade. He’s the one who saved Carsaib and said he was Haeg (also a hermit). This explains why he can use magic without saying words (and without caring) to make a fire. 

  • The Quest

    I think that Tenga becomes/is a Shade. He’s the one who saved Carsaib and said he was Haeg (also a hermit). This explains why he can use magic without saying words (and without caring) to make a fire. 

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      Not that it means it couldnt happen, but paolini wrote that durza was formed when Carsaib summoned spirits to avenge Haeg’s death.

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      Not that it means it couldnt happen, but paolini wrote that durza was formed when Carsaib summoned spirits to avenge Haeg’s death.

    • Jaddison10

      *face palm* No. Tenga is not a shade. Does he have bright red hair and seem hell bent on killing everyone around him? my point exactly. If Tenga is a shade then you might as well call Angela a shade too and be done with it. 

      I agree with the article completely. Been a thought of mine for awhile. My question is who is going to teach Eragon about sorcery (and/or spirits) though? Arya said she wouldn’t bring it up with Eragon because Oromis and Glaedr hadn’t, but now that their dead… Will it be Arya? Or Trianna perhaps? Im leaning towards Arya but you never know :). 
      One theory I have though is that there is a distinction in the types Sentient being spirits. We know from the series that only mischievous/bad/evil spirits seek to possess people. Sooo what about the good spirits? The ones who aren’t decidedly evil or anything? Is there a way to get into contact with them? If so that might be the vault of souls. I dunno it’s kind of piggy-backing of the Big 20 theory but just an observation. That or the vault of souls has to do with dragons HOHs. I feel like those are only really realistic options at this point. After that you could speculate grey folk, knowledge of the AL, ect…  

  • I have a weird theory. Although it is not likely to happen, but it would be cool:

    As said in the article, spirits are not bound by normal rules of magic. Therefore, they might be able to do magic outside the boundaries experienced by magicians. Now, What if, Galbatorix says something to saphira (yes saphira) like, “Let me tell you how it feels to be alone.” and kills eragon. Struck by grief, she performs some of her amazing magic and kills/seriously wounds Galbatorix. 
    As Galbatorix escapes, she sees her partner-of-heart’s body and experiences a fresh surge of magic and then she summpons spirits to do her bidding. They are not able to empower her and then have to do as she says. She tells them to bring Eragon back and then he is back (probably with some defect, to add to the drama)!!!! He then delivers the final blow to Galbatorix.
    THE END

    Tada!!!
    nice ending, right???

    • AryaRose

      definitely a weird and unlikely theory but it would be quite a twist 😀  I certainly would love to see all the comments here after the book came out if that was how it ended

    • Anonymous

      I think that would be awesome

    • Vijo

      fantastic idea, but unlikely

  • Guest

    i think that they will only play one part in the book. eragon will find the vault of souls and communicate with them telling them his power is unsufficient and with their awesome amount of energy they will destroy all the eldunari that galbatorix has in his possesion

    • Matt

      I don’t think that Eragon would willing destroy the Eldunari that Galbatorix has if he doesn’t have to. They are essentially prisoners of war and I believe that he will try to save them and release them from Galbatorix’s hold if he can. The elves would be pretty ticked off if they were all destroyed too.

  • Sallystar6of7

    I loved it when Eragon and Arya were travling together and they saw the spirits! It made me laugh so hard to imagine Arya’s long hair stinking out like that! One of the best scenes in Brinsingr.

  • Loveisextynct

    Hi Im having problems finding the other ‘Big Twenty’ questions? Theyre all over the place, is there 1 set link for all of them?
    If not, itd be really handy to have one….*HINT HINT*

  • Anonymous

    I thought the reason Varaug wasn’t able to last long was because of issues with pacing at the end of Brisingr…

  • Adilas73

    Ever time theirs a new post the words VOS and ROK comes up at least once, funny that.

    • The Grey Rider

      It’s the subtitle.

      Also, it’s because it keeps getting mentioned in EVERY Big Twenty post.
      But the ROK didn’t get mentioned ’til just now.
      Figures huh?

  • Tmnt

    Off topic I know, but I’ve read Brisingr so many times. The front cover fell off!

    • The Grey Rider

      lol.

      I’ve nearly done the same with all my IC novels.
      Eldest’s is about to give out pretty soon, Brisingr’s is on the way and Eragon’s already has, been sticky taped back together, and has finally been retired to a display cabinet in favour of a new one.

  • troll

    Heres the deal:
    Trianna thinks the varden needs more power to push forward against galby so she MAKES HERSELF a shade but it all turns out badly

  • troll

    Heres the deal:
    Trianna thinks the varden needs more power to push forward against galby so she MAKES HERSELF a shade but it all turns out badly

  • The Grey Rider

    I’ve already said I don’t believe the Vault is a portal to the spirit realm but I’d like to broaden that to any type of portal to another world, but here’s a funny hypothetical situation:

    Eragon opens the Vault of Souls and lets in an elite special forces unit dedicated to taking out evil despots like Galby anywhere and everywhere throughout the multiverse, (no evidence given in series so far, but no one would have the time or inclination to play around with string theory but Angela, Tenga and Oromis) and agree to help take him down.
    Said specops force helps the Varden assault Uru’baen and make mince meat of anything in their way.

    I’ll let you imagine the final showdown for yourselves.

    • Tmnt

      I would throw the book through a wall if that happened.

      • The Grey Rider

        Yeah, I probably would as well.

        Deus ex Machina just doesn’t fit in this case.

        • Loveisextynct

          I think maybe we should arm CP with more than a pen…..possibly a fountain pen (pointier!!!!) and a really big eraser!!!!!

          • Guest

            Ha ha! Love it!!

          • kb

            i have a GIGANTIC eraser to lend him.

      • AryaRose

        Come on, you gotta admit that after the initial shock and anger at such an ending, you’d probly laugh just a little.  At I would. But either way I don’t see it happening.

        • AryaRose

          *At least I would

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      CP fallingfrom the sky and landing on Galbatorixdrivig his pen into Galbatorix’s heart would be a more satisfying ending. Besides, an ending like the one you mentioned would probably end CP’s career and reputation.

  • Anonymous

    I think ‘souls’ and ‘spirits’ are different things. A soul embodies what a living being is, a spirit is that magical floating ball of energy holding great powers e.t.c. I think the Vault of Souls might not hold any sort of ‘magical’ power but rather an insight to power; a place of answers, answers to who a person is (*true names, cough*) Eragon could use ‘souls’ in opposition to Galbatorix’s ‘spirits’, if the king does indeed control them and become a Shade. It’s a wild guess, but that’s just what I like to think.

  • Jjerzey

    how bout this… the reason eragon will leave is that he will turn himself into a good shade, at the vault of souls, with the help of the departed Brom. when he returns from the location of the vault he is no longer eragon. angela still gets to be right. after the victory he leaves again to attempt to rid himself of the spirits and never returns, leaving behind glaedr’s hoh and the guide so the elves and the varden can train the next batch of riders. thats off the top of my nugget no thought behind it at all but now that i look back at what i wrote it kinda makes 4:30 am kinda sense…. booyah

    • The Grey Rider

      And is instantly torn apart by what is said in Eragon’s Guide to Alagaesia.

      He’s alive, it’s several years (decades maybe?) later, he’s alive and well, so’s Saphira and they’re hunting something new.

      Ergo, if any of that theory is correct, (a shade with the host in control sounds like it’d be fun to play with) then Eragon DOES return, and thus Angela’s prophecy is referring to something else.

      But yeah, it does make 4.30 AM sense if you don’t factor the Guide in.

  • Denmark111

    I really do doubt that spirits will play a key role in Inheritance. It just seems unfair in a way. Of the ideas you came up with in this big twenty, I like the “way to harness the raw power”-thing the best, but I doubt it will be as easy as it sounds. And I don’t think the spirits necessarily have noticed “the sundering, the conflict, the death” in Alagaesia, they are to alien to notice that kind of thing easily.

  • Denmark111

    I really do doubt that spirits will play a key role in Inheritance. It just seems unfair in a way. Of the ideas you came up with in this big twenty, I like the “way to harness the raw power”-thing the best, but I doubt it will be as easy as it sounds. And I don’t think the spirits necessarily have noticed “the sundering, the conflict, the death” in Alagaesia, they are to alien to notice that kind of thing easily.

  • Denmark111

    I really do doubt that spirits will play a key role in Inheritance. It just seems unfair in a way. Of the ideas you came up with in this big twenty, I like the “way to harness the raw power”-thing the best, but I doubt it will be as easy as it sounds. And I don’t think the spirits necessarily have noticed “the sundering, the conflict, the death” in Alagaesia, they are to alien to notice that kind of thing easily.

  • The Grey Rider

    Oh yes, when are we going to see part two of that interview with CP?

  • Rogerlairdwriting

    I think that Galbatorix will turn out to be a shade or he will be using spirits to control the eldunari and bend them to his will. The vardens weaponmaster Fredrick predicts to Eragon when he is looking for a weapon, that the war will end with a sword through Galbatorix’s black heart. Galbatorix learned dark magic from a sorcerer or dark magic user, maybe he lost control and became the first shade rider. Galbatorix would need to gain a lot of power to overthrow the riders order and mentally break dragons. I doubt Eragon will use spirits, though he may learn more about it from arya and glaedr in book 4.

    • The Grey Rider

      No, if Galby was a RiderShade Oromis or Glaedr would’ve said something.
      Not to mention Brom would’ve known along with anyone ELSE of importance in Alagaesia.
      If not from tales from Galby’s allies due to oaths, then definitely from suspicion.

      Or alternatively, he might just be siphoning energy from spirits having learned sorcery, though I don’t think he’d be THAT crazy.

      • Rogerlairdwriting

        Galbatorix has been portrayed as nothing less than cunning and crazy. Meaning he could attempt to control spirits and quite possibly would. As for Brom and Oromis, with nothing to compare him to it is possible they would not know. Dont count it out till his heart is pierced and spirits dont come shooting out.

        • The Grey Rider

          Oromis definitely would’ve known.
          Lot’s of points of comparison with other riders, and if he had’ve been at Doru Areaba he would’ve known, and examining Brom’s memories after his abortive attempt to kill Galby after Saphira 1’s death, he would’ve put the pieces together and convinced all and sundry to
          take him out through sheer weight of numbers, even if it meant death on a truly horrifying scale.
          It was implied that a RiderShade, even the POSSIBILITY of one was horrible enough to justify that sort of thing. 

          • The Grey Rider

            Thus, he can’t be a Shade, and further more he was cautious enough to evade capture for however long, he wouldn’t take that sort of risk.
            And he appears to be shooting for godhood.
            What sort of god(to-be) would risk being enslaved?
            And don’t even think about replying ‘a crazy one’ because that won’t cut ice.

          • Rogerlairdwriting

            Your support is all based on circumstantial cants and didnts that werent specifically stated in the books. To count a theory like this out just because it doesnt make sense to you based on assumptions would be foolish. I think that this theory deffinitely holds weight. I have not read a single word in any of the books that makes me believe Galbatorix being a shade is impossible. You have your right to disagree, but there is nothing anyone except CP could say that would make me discount this theory.

          • hoke

            Didn’t CP draw a picture of galbatorix for the complete guide to alagaesia? it was in black and white so I can’t be too sure if his hair was red…. Although Galbatorix could just change his hair color with magic i guess 😛

          • Anonymous

            Maybe a rider shad would keep more of the hosts original features.

          • Rogerlairdwriting

            Shade*

          • Mr-x

            see the thing is galbatorix is already more powerful than a shade a spirit whilst in someones body must have limits to it’s power else durza and vraug couldn’t have been killed so easy if they had the spirit’s near limitless energy they would have wards that would deflect any blade even a rider’s blade as it says riders blades can cut through most wards except the kind of wards a spirit could put up would most likely over power the enchantments on the rider’s blades so yeah i don’t think galby is a shade although i do like the theory and wouldn’t mind that being a major twist.

          • hoke

            Good point. Maybe he is not even a full shade?? He could have spirits in his body and be using their power, but still have control of them. That could be why he still looks mostly human and still goes by the name Galbatorix

  • The Grey Rider

    Now, onto theorising:

    People are probably getting sick of my constant citing of Warhammer Fantasy and 40k for things that could happen, but this is a case that just has too much of a parallel to let by:

    If the Vault of Souls is a portal to the spirit realm, it could be VERY dangerous.
    The parallel I’m seeing is a warp portal, through which Chaos Daemons enter the material universe in both storylines.
    These things are EVIL, SCARY things, and they have something in common with spirits in that they’re beings of pure energy, only they can make their own physical form, which although easier to destroy makes them no less formidable.

    Messing around with that sort of thing isn’t a healthy idea, you could end up possessed, obliterated by the energy or mutated into something decidedly unsavoury.

    I’m not so sure about the Vault being a gateway to the spirit world for the above reasons, mainly because it would most DEFINITELY be a thing that had been cannibalised.
    Paolini wouldn’t be that blaze’ about this, he’d make it original and not steal that sort of point.

    So, I’m still all for something like a ‘time-capsule’ or ‘hidden prison’ that something from the age of the riders is hiding in.
    Possibly a wild dragon, or a hidden cache of eggs, or maybe even Eragon 1 and Bid’Daum.
    But I highly doubt it that the Vault of Souls is a gate to the spirit world.

  • The Grey Rider

    Just what was the new info?
    I didn’t see anything that I hadn’t encountered before.

    • I believe it was the incredible strength and dangerousness of the spirits, and the explanation between the two types of spirits – im pretty sure it wasn’t in any of the books.

      • The Grey Rider

        No, the distinction between human and ethereal being spirits came up in the Brisingr encounter.
        And the dangerousness and incredible strength should’ve been obvious to anyone following the series.

        Eragon nearly killed himself turning a lump of dirt to water.
        The Spirits in Brisingr turned a flower into a LIVING METAL AND PRECIOUS GEM organism!

        So while those to things mightn’t have been out-and-out SAID they were IMPLIED, and so I can’t consider it to be new information.

        • Mr. Anonymous

          Doesn’t always have to be new information. A lot of it is review preparing us for all possible ideas going into book four. Usually its the gathering from different parts under one subheading so we get the big picture.

  • By the way, if you’re looking forward to this week’s episode 14 podcast…it’s going to be the shortest podcast yet. (Not by a huge amount, but it will be. Somewhere between 1:00 and 1:12)

    Don’t be bummed though, it’s still a pretty fun episode.

    • Coasterking

      darn i like them more clearly this means lauren did not talk enough 🙁

      • Coasterking

        ps when will it be out tomorrow?

  • First Post! 😀

    • Fixed, one of the few problems I missed. (Also fixed where he forgot the cutoff for post/full post page)