“Big Twenty” – The Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls: Where and What Are They? We’ve Got Answers!

The Big Twenty is Shur’tugal’s twenty week long series of in depth discussion and theorizing, all centered around twenty core questions, loose ends, and theories in the Inheritance universe. The Big Twenty is the ultimate fan guide to happenings in Book 4 — and we hope you’ll join us for the adventure! To learn more about the Big Twenty, view our announcement article.

What and where are the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls? These questions have been with us since the start of Eragon, when the werecat prophecy was first delivered to our hero — and readers — in a mysterious way. Fans have been left debating the Rock and Vault’s existence, whereabouts, and uses for nearly eight years. With Inheritance (Book 4) around the corner, it appears as though we may finally receive some answers. Before then, however, we may be able to unveil some of the mysteries surrounding the prophecy’s words, including where they are and what they may be hiding. Keep reading for our article exploring the mysteries — and revealing some answers — surrounding the Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls!

Introduction of the Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls in Eragon

The Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls were introduced to Eragon during his first meeting with Solembum the werecat, Angela the herbalist’s companion. Eragon was one of few Solembum has ever chosen to communicate with, which Angela notes as being rare and special. At the end of his visit in the herbalist’s shop, the werecat spoke with Eragon to deliver the following prophecy:

“Listen closely and I will tell you two things. When the time comes and you need a weapon, look under the roots of the Menoa tree. Then, when all seems lost and your power is insufficient, go to the Rock of Kuthian and speak your name to open the Vault of Souls.

We have learned that Solembum’s prophecy was not all fun and games as the first part of his advice proved to be invaluable to Eragon in Brisingr. Eragon and Saphira were able to locate the only remaining piece of brightsteel under the roots of the Menoa tree – steel they used to forge his new Rider sword, Brisingr. Any doubt lingering in readers’ minds as to the validity of Solembum’s statements vanished; clearly this information is accurate and important.

Doing a Bit of Research

Eragon has since spent much of his time pondering the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls. Despite the Rider’s best efforts, the whereabouts and true nature of the two places mentioned in the prophecy continue to elude him.

While the Rock and the Vault have remained on Eragon’s mind, the young Rider has had to focus his thoughts, effort, and energy on more present and troubling matters, such as his training, battles and politics. This has left little time for Eragon and Saphira to actively pursue leads on what the prophecy revealed; however, Eragon has chosen to confide parts of the prophecy in two elves whom he trusts implicitly in hopes that either of them may be aware of information which could help him and Saphira learn more about the Rock, Vault and their whereabouts.

Eragon first asked Ayra, princess of the elves, to discover if she knew anything about the mysterious locations. Arya was able to offer the pair little little information. She was able to reveal that the name struck a familiar chord within her mind, though she was unsure why. This information may be relevant.

Eragon later asked Oromis, a former Elder among the Riders turned Eragon and Saphira’s trainer, what he knew of the Rock of Kuthian. Oromis revealed similar information to what Arya offered: while he was unable to offer any specific information, he did recognize the name as if he had encountered it before. The Elder suggested that Eragon search his collection of scrolls in hopes of discovering more information, though doubted he would find any mention of the Rock. Oromis’s feeling of remembrance yet lack of any real memories of the name is fishy when combined with Arya’s similar feelings.

Subtitles Signify Importance, Right?

The subtitle of Book 4 was announced in a rather odd way – it was revealed during Christopher’s “completion of Book 4” video in July. The subtitle was shown on the cover of the manuscript Christopher delivered to his editor at Random House. The subtitle? The Vault of Souls. Shur’tugal has since confirmed with Christopher that “The Vault of Souls” is indeed the book’s subtitle.

What does this mean for readers and Book 4? Well, probably not much more than it did before. We’ve always known that the Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls would likely play a large role in the fourth book, though any lingering doubts have since vanished. The fact that the Vault of Souls, which has been with us since the start of Eragon, is being used as the final book’s subtitle underlines just how important its discovery and what is contained within will be for the story. We now know to expect big things from this mysterious Vault.

Just What the Heck Is It?

We don’t know.

We could leave it there, but we’re fans – of course we’ve thought about this — too much! We personally enjoy three key theories, each of which attempts to explain or understand the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls in their own unique way.

The most popular theory is that the Vault of Souls is a large, hidden cache of Eldunari – possibly belonging to the wild dragons or the good Riders prior to the fall.

A second theory relates more to why the Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls are never mentioned and remain unknown to Alagaesia’s inhabitants. Are they possibly related to the magic that stripped the Forsworn’s dragons of their names?

The third theory popped up during an episode of the Inheritance Cycle Book Club and explores the idea of the Rock of Kuthian possibly being a sentient being… an ancient dragon or guardian.

The Vault of Souls – A Hidden Cache of Eldunari?

We feel this is very likely. It’s a fan-favorite theory and one that makes the most sense within the context of the story. We know that Eragon’s power as it currently stands cannot hope to match that of Galbatorix and Murtagh’s, largely due to the enormous amount of power that the Eldunari they hold captive provides them. To compete, Eragon will need Eldunari of his own – or something just as powerful.

The problem is that we do not know of anything as powerful as a hoard of Eldunari. Eragon will have the aid of Glaedr’s Eldunari in battle, however it’s safe to say that even the power of the ancient and wise golden dragon will pale in comparison to the combined power of Galbatorix’s Eldunari collection.

Many interpret “Souls” to mean the Eldunari – essentially a dragon’s soul, its core essence. But if the Vault of Souls truly is a collection of Eldunari… where did they all come from, and why were they kept together? Likely reasons include the collection of Riders’ Eldunari prior to the Fall of the Riders, possibly hidden amongst the ruins of Vroengard Isle. Others suspect that the Vault of Souls may be where the Eldunari of wild dragons were sent after their death, guarded in secret against forces of evil seeking their power.

But Why Can’t They Remember the Names?

Both Oromis and Arya struggled to remember the name of the Rock of Kuthian, yet both acknowledged an odd feeling at the back of their mind as if they knew of the Rock at one point in time. We know of one similar situation, where people are no longer able to remember names which were once common knowledge: Du Namar Aurboda, or the Banishing of Names. Learning of the Forsworn dragons’ betrayal, the then-living free dragons banded together to strip the Forsworn dragons of their names and true names. The names were stripped from memories and existence — people were no longer able to recall or refer to these dragons by their names.

It’s curious that Christopher included this bit of history in Brisingr. While interesting, one must always consider that a piece of history or information was included in a prior book as a reference or building block for future plotlines. Could Christopher have included this bit of knowledge to lay precedence for magic that would have seen the Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls suffer the same fate — having their names stripped or hidden by magic?

Why would someone have performed this? It’s likely that the Riders or remaining wild dragons would have wanted to hide the Vault of Souls from Galbatorix and the Forsworn. Recognizing that their days were numbered, either group could have banded together to hide the Vault of Souls — especially if what it contains is as valuable as we believe, such as a cache of Eldunari.

However, if this was done — how were Solembum and Eragon able to recall and discuss these names? It’s an interesting theory with fairly strong roots within the book. Could it be accurate?

Is Kuthian an Ancient Guardian?

One final theory worth noting is likely the most outlandish theory of the three. This theory was originally submitted by a listener of the Inheritance Cycle Book Club podcast series. The reader believed that the Rock of Kuthian could be named after an ancient guardian — Kuthian — who rests in wait, guarding the Vault of Souls. “Speak your name to the Rock of Kuthian” — is Kuthian at this rock? Alternatively, is Kuthian the Rock itself? Could the Rock be an ancient dragon tasked with guarding/protecting the Vault of Souls against those who wish to seek out what it contains?

Conclusion

While we won’t learn the true meaning, location, and use of the Rock of Kuthian and Vault of Souls until November, it’s very likely that we are on the right track with both the first and second above-mentioned theories. It’s likely that these theories, combined, point in the right direction of the Rock and Vault’s true purpose. However, knowing Christopher, there’s a lot more here than meets the eye.

Questions to Ponder in the Comments Below
  • Where do you believe the Rock of Kuthian is?
  • What do you believe the Vault of Souls contains?
  • Which of the above theories do you find to be most accurate?
  • Why do you think Christopher chose “Vault of Souls” as the subtitle for Book 4?
  • Why do you think that neither Arya or Oromis could remember the Rock of Kuthian?

  • Saidanmaster

    Two theories for me:
    the first is that it has something to do with the Star Sapphire. We know that it is possible to store magic energy inside gems, and since the Star Sapphire is such a massive gem, dragons or riders with the eldunari of their dragons, that would have been in Farten Dur at the time could have sensed the fall of the riders and, through one of their rare moments of magical awesomeness, transferred their consciousness into the sapphire.

    my second theory is that Kuthian is the actual name for the Beor mountains. In Eldest when Orik is explaining the animals unique to the beors, he states that the Dwarves don’t call the mountains the Beors, rather their real name is a secret. Both Arya and Orimis could have heard the name while passing through dwarf cities and not understood what the word meant. Additionally Eragon never thought to ask Orik about the rock…..

  • gandaga

    i have two theorys. 1. the location to the vault is found in the book of fate that eragon gets from the person friend in terim( its been ages since i read the book)
    2. the two people eragon gives his blessing too are the vault and the rock

  • Trinity04

    All of the Eldunari were captured by Galby. It says so in the books. That even the wild dragons entrusted their eldunari to the riders. and Galby collected this stash. Now, there may be eldunari from what wild dragons that were left after the fall, but why would they want to live like that. knowing the end was coming…

  • Murthag_becomes_a_Shade

    I believe the vault is not in Alagaesia, but in the original elvish country, and that’s why both Oromis and Arya have heard it before, but don’t know what it means.
    Eragon tells the prophecy of Solembum to Angela (or Tenga) and (s)he knows about it because the’re from the Grey Folk. 

  • Robbybarr1994

    alright so i think its a catche of eldunari hidden ind the moutian range in the hadarac dessert

  • Robbybarr1994

    alright so i think its a catche of eldunari hidden ind the moutian range in the hadarac dessert

    • Thrysta :)

      seems it might be to obvious a place to hide a cache of the eldunari and a little simple for the story line.?

  • Robbybarr1994

    alright so i think its a catche of eldunari hidden ind the moutian range in the hadarac dessert

  • Thrysta :)

    I think they both have something to do with the first rider, Eragon. In the book Solembum tells eragon to speak his name and it makes sense for the First Eragon to make whatever they are only accessible to him or something to do with him. Another reason is because as mentioned before both Arya and Oromis said they had heard the name but still neither could recall where they heard the name. In book two, Eldest, (and i cant be bothered to sit here and search the book for the quote) someone mentioned that the first rider could not be mentioned.

    this may explain why no on can remember the name and this is only said in one line throughout the series so far 🙂

    • Robbybarr1994

      what you dont wanna look for is actually when eragon meets queen islanzadi and she recalls eragon 1 and she says something about him and says his name can not be said in this language

    • Ashlee

      Well possibly, Eragon discovers his true name in the 4th book, and maybe that is the name that Solebum means Eragon to tell to the Rock of Kuthian to open the Vault?

  • Sharjeel Sumair

    For some reason i think that book 4 will have something about the First Dragon (Bid’daum) and The Rider (Eragon), And think about this “The Rock of Kuthian” is dwarvish and the dwarves were never part of the ancient “pact” (Dragon+Rider), If ppl think that the Vault of Souls is a hoarde of Eldunari then why would be in a place (ROK) which is (theoritically) related to the Dwarves?

    And although i like the idea of Eragon having all the ancient dragon power from the “Eldunari Hoarde” would it not be anti climatic if Eragon became more powerful that Galby himself? i dont think CP would do that.

    And just a wild theory: Remember the part where Eragon asks Oromis if the Energy could be harnessed directly from the Sun or the Earth. What if Eragon figured out a way to do it???

  • Bearjs

    What if the vault of souls is actually like a city for the spirits that mad Eragon the gemflowers????

  • Bearjs

    What if the vault of souls is actually like a city for the spirits that mad Eragon the gemflowers????

  • Bearjs

    What if the vault of souls is actually like a city for the spirits that mad Eragon the gemflowers????

  • Bearjs

    What if the vault of souls is actually like a city for the spirits that mad Eragon the gemflowers????

  • Drako6600

    i reckon that the vault of souls is a vault that the dragons who stripped the forsworn dragons of their names and true names have hidden away the elundari of the forsworn dragons and hiding it with magic and that the rock of kuthian is named after eragons true name and is connected to him just like his sword brisingr so when eragon has to speak his name it reacts in a manner that brisingr did for him.  

  • Bob 0000

    The vault of souls is Galbatorix’s stash of eldunari.

    • Keagan

      Then why does eragon need to say his name to open it then

  • Random dragon

    Kuthian is bid’daums true name so the rock is his heart and is big so it looks like a rock so when eragon says his name to it it presents it’s concios and soul to eragon henceforth he would have opened the vos.

  • Random dragon

    Kuthian is bid’daums true name so the rock is his heart and is big so it looks like a rock so when eragon says his name to it it presents it’s concios and soul to eragon henceforth he would have opened the vos.

  • Random dragon

    Kuthian is bid’daums true name so the rock is his heart and is big so it looks like a rock so when eragon says his name to it it presents it’s concios and soul to eragon henceforth he would have opened the vos.

  • Random dragon

    Kuthian is bid’daums true name so the rock is his heart and is big so it looks like a rock so when eragon says his name to it it presents it’s concios and soul to eragon henceforth he would have opened the vos.

  • guest123

    when Orik was named leader, the God came down to him. might it be this God that guards the vault of souls  , and is his name kuthian?

  • 1234567

     Didn’t christopher paolini say that Eragon would inherit whatever the book’s title was?
    Maybe he wasn’t being a smart ass, and maybe Eragon inherits the Vault of Souls?
    Just a thought(:

  • Heather

    In my opinion the rock of Kuthian is an ancient dwavish tomb of some kind of dwarvish leader or possibly a dwarf that wasn’t ever considered all that important to elves, posibly named Kuthian because in Eldest it is stated that dwarves are burried in stone. It would explian why neither Arya or Oromis knew what it was.  Or maybe it has something to do with dwarvish religion since the evles don’t set much sore into a higher power and the dwarves said eragon only got to know the finer points due to his adoption into oriks family. 

    • Sharjeel Sumair

      that is a good theory but how would a tomb of a dead dwarf help Eragon?

  • B Kress

    Everyone is forgetting something, Solmbum also said Eragon would find the rock of kuthian when everything seams lost and his power was insufficient. Maybe the Vardon, elves and dwarves are mostly destroyed, and Sudan conquered. I bet that what is inside the vault will be one of these: Edunari, the Gray Folk, Spirits, the place were all people go when they are dead, Galbutoric’s stash of Edunari, a massive crystal that dragons put all their energy in for thousands of years, a city of werecats, riders, Dragons, or even a teleporter to where the elves came from. I think the Vault of Souls is in the rock of Kuthian and the rock of Kuthian is: In the mountians in the middle of the Hadok desert, the waterfall next to Carvanhall, in Volonguard(The home of the riders),the Beor moutians, or in the Spine. I dont think it was something that the riders knew of because Oromis was one of the best riders and he didnt know of it. I think Eragons dreams only tell events in the near future, he dreamed of Arya and he soon rescued her, he dreamed of a battle with 2 men and he soon fought Murtagh. The dream at the beginning of the first book I think I understand, Durza captured Arya and was bringing her to Gilead with the Razac over them and Eragon doesn’t know what a dragon looks like because Saphera hasent hatched mistook the Razacs mounts for dragons. When Brom dies he tells Eragon 7 words in the ancient language that they dont tell you so I think they are important. These are good theories but the Eragon books surprise us so I think the most popular theories will not be true.

  • B Kress

    Everyone is forgetting something, Solmbum also said Eragon would find the rock of kuthian when everything seams lost and his power was insufficient. Maybe the Vardon, elves and dwarves are mostly destroyed, and Sudan conquered. I bet that what is inside the vault will be one of these: Edunari, the Gray Folk, Spirits, the place were all people go when they are dead, Galbutoric’s stash of Edunari, a massive crystal that dragons put all their energy in for thousands of years, a city of werecats, riders, Dragons, or even a teleporter to where the elves came from. I think the Vault of Souls is in the rock of Kuthian and the rock of Kuthian is: In the mountians in the middle of the Hadok desert, the waterfall next to Carvanhall, in Volonguard(The home of the riders),the Beor moutians, or in the Spine. I dont think it was something that the riders knew of because Oromis was one of the best riders and he didnt know of it. I think Eragons dreams only tell events in the near future, he dreamed of Arya and he soon rescued her, he dreamed of a battle with 2 men and he soon fought Murtagh. The dream at the beginning of the first book I think I understand, Durza captured Arya and was bringing her to Gilead with the Razac over them and Eragon doesn’t know what a dragon looks like because Saphera hasent hatched mistook the Razacs mounts for dragons. When Brom dies he tells Eragon 7 words in the ancient language that they dont tell you so I think they are important. These are good theories but the Eragon books surprise us so I think the most popular theories will not be true.

    • Trystan

      I have a feeling that Brom left something marvelous locked up in the Vault. He’ll inherit that which is the title/ subtitle of the book. To that end, I agree with you on what you think it is, but I also considered Keagen’s thought that inside was the Edunari of Bid’daums. I also believe that the Rock/ Vault is in the Spine, as it seems to have lots of magic involved stories plaguing it- though that could be overly exaggerated rumors.

      • B Kress

        i dont like the theory of Bid’daum’s edunari because i think Bid’daum would have no reason to become a edunari and if he did it would be well accounted for and galbytorics would have tried very hard to get it.

        • Michael

          I think it might be Shruikan’s Eldunari or Vrael’s dragons. Either that or i know its far fetched but if the rock of Kuthian is dwarven then I think it may be a Dwarven Rider or some sort of thing. It will have nothing to do with a huge stash of Eldunari because thats what EVERYBODY expects. Even if that was his original idea he would change it so the book isnt predictable and just a “my stash is bigger than your stash” fight.

          • B Kress

            Shruikan didnt know about edunari when he died, if Vrael dragon had left a edunari Galbutorics would have it. Everyone would havce known if it was a dwarf rider because many elves and dragons would have been needed to make the spell

          • Coasterking

            shruikan not dead dumb ass

        • Michael

          I think it might be Shruikan’s Eldunari or Vrael’s dragons. Either that or i know its far fetched but if the rock of Kuthian is dwarven then I think it may be a Dwarven Rider or some sort of thing. It will have nothing to do with a huge stash of Eldunari because thats what EVERYBODY expects. Even if that was his original idea he would change it so the book isnt predictable and just a “my stash is bigger than your stash” fight.

        • Michael

          I think it might be Shruikan’s Eldunari or Vrael’s dragons. Either that or i know its far fetched but if the rock of Kuthian is dwarven then I think it may be a Dwarven Rider or some sort of thing. It will have nothing to do with a huge stash of Eldunari because thats what EVERYBODY expects. Even if that was his original idea he would change it so the book isnt predictable and just a “my stash is bigger than your stash” fight.

  • marcy

    I have 2 other theories: Following what Oromis said the magic to control spirits is vast and dangerous… and spirits played parts in all 3 books. So it may be a magic to fully control a spirit , like a necromancer or something.

    My other theory is related to the first book: Broom said that the true word for ancient language was never found and is the most powerful. This gathered with the prophecy led me to believe that the vault of souls might hold that knowledge. That would also kind of explain the need for Eragon’s true name

  • I think that the Vault of Souls is the door to the after life and when Eragon speaks his name into the Vault the Eragon which he was named after will step out in spirit form and teach Eragon some kind of ancient magic or something else maybe and Eragon will gain the knowledge and strength to defeat Galbatorix 

  • I think that the Vault of Souls is the door to the after life and when Eragon speaks his name into the Vault the Eragon which he was named after will step out in spirit form and teach Eragon some kind of ancient magic or something else maybe and Eragon will gain the knowledge and strength to defeat Galbatorix 

  • Grace

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  • Grace

    FMA picture lolwut

  • guestman

    the vault of souls might be a cache of dragons eggs and the rock of kuthian is their gaurdian

  • guestman

    the vault of souls might be a cache of dragons eggs and the rock of kuthian is their gaurdian

  • guestman

    the vault of souls might be a cache of dragons eggs and the rock of kuthian is their gaurdian

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      This is an interesting theory, it is distinctly different than most I have read. It would make sense, given that a new rider emerges and Galbatorix’s last egg would be guarded more heavily than fort knox.

  • solem BUM

    if he brought brom back to life brom would suffacate.hes in a diamond

    • Konunger Skoliro

      i laughed so hard at this i almost cried

  • Random dragon

    This is totally off topic but I was reading on alagaesia.com and it said a wall fell on roran

  • Jlebeux

    maybe just maybe hear me out on this1. Brisingr is Eragons true name. In eragon when Brom used it to light a fire it said Eragon felt vibrant and alive. In Eldest it really wasnt brought up but he did use it w/ great power as he always does. In brisingr Rhundoun said that the sword might be a part of him and there true names are bonded

    • Emma

      Brisingr may be part of his true name but it can’t just be Brisingr because whenever someone hears their true name they were meant to react like sloan did.
      Interesting theory though

      • B Kress

        Sloan was Eragons enemy and i think thats why he acted like that

        • Ratliffkyle117

          Besides that, Chris has said before he won’t actually write down anyone’s true name because he wants it to be mysterious. So it is probably not brisingr.

      • B Kress

        Sloan was Eragons enemy and i think thats why he acted like that

    • Emma

      Brisingr may be part of his true name but it can’t just be Brisingr because whenever someone hears their true name they were meant to react like sloan did.
      Interesting theory though

  • Jlebeux

    just another idea is the Rock of Kuthian in the spine remember Utgard maybe when Vrael fell there he left something of great value and power there maybe his dragons eldurnai

  • Jlebeux

    just another idea is the Rock of Kuthian in the spine remember Utgard maybe when Vrael fell there he left something of great value and power there maybe his dragons eldurnai

  • Jlebeux

    just another idea is the Rock of Kuthian in the spine remember Utgard maybe when Vrael fell there he left something of great value and power there maybe his dragons eldurnai

  • Jlebeux

    the vault of souls is not the souls of dragons but rather HUMANS DWARVES AND Elves. This is how Eragon can possibly bring Brom  back to life. No1 knew of a place where there soul goes so obv when the many who tried 2 bring back1 to life then this possibly the key factor they were missing

  • Mouse Muffin

    i really do think that the vos is where the Eldunari r, and that Kuthian is guarding them. or at least not the Eldunari Galbatorix has… what r the 7 words of death??? also, r we going 2 get anymore info on brom & saphira 1??? or on eragon 1??? btw, is eragon 2’s true name anywhere in the books??? plz give me answers!!!! ps, like my comment if… SPOILER ALERT!!!!

     u were really sad when oromis and glaedr died. as a girl, i almost cried, even though i’m a tomboy.

    • Keagan

      9words of death

      • i could’ve sworn there were 12

        • bren

          it was 12

  • Random dragon

    Bid’daums heart’s inthe vault and the rock is a real rock. Just a sugestion.

  • mike, are you going to discuss the 7 words that brom told eragon?

    • Random dragon

      What words they never told us them. Are some of them his true name. Correct me if I’m Wrong.

      • Alex

        It likely isn’t, why would Eragon want Oromis to tell him his true name if he already knew?

  • arya

    the vault of souls in a hoard of eldinari

  • Jamespirate11

    The books called Inheritance right? What if Brom is
    somehow behind the ROK and VOS? he helped the Varden
    And did so much for it. He may have discovered something
    And protected it. Brom knew Angela from a time ago as said
    In Brisignr (I think?). What if he somehow found and hid
    Something there or discovered something which he thought
    Might aid future dragon riders if he died on his mission with
    Joed? And told Solembum on his way to complete his mission
    For the Varden so the knowledge wouldn’t be lost?

  • Keagan

    The vault has bid’daums heart of hearts in it.

  • Sfisher99

    Although this isn’t really on topic, my thoughts are that solembum told dragon to speak his name to the vault of souls as it (Eragon) is the true name of the ancient language, and is the only word that will open it. I know this leaves alot of questions behind, but comment and tell me what you think.

    • I agree but what I want to know is if Galby knows his own True Name then Galby himself will say his true name and it will open that’s what I am wondering

    • I agree but what I want to know is if Galby knows his own True Name then Galby himself will say his true name and it will open that’s what I am wondering

  • dpower

    I have thought it was the name of Morzan’s dragon for a long time now. Though how could it be that kuthian could be said out loud? If you think about it. Its naming a rock not giving identity to the dragon. I say Morzan because its much more dramatic taking Eragon to the castle Brom stole his mother away from Murtaugh’s father. Not some random forsworn with no back story, and set up for a serious battle setting between eragon and murtaugh. Also being galbotrix’s right hand he would have made Morzan more powerful than anyone else, and he has said in the book how paranoid Morzan was. So when he died maybe galby didn’t want to deal with Morzan’s fortifications. I may be wrong on the Morzan part but I’m pretty confident its atleast one of the forsworns dragon’s names. Morzan would be the most likely however. Plus its to boring and tedious to bring some random element into the book now with so much going on so many loose ties.

  • Alec venecia

    Mike, next big twenty?

  • Sarah

    Bid’daum was the first Eragon’s dragon. The dragon that formed the pact with the elves didn’t have a name, so maybe it could be that dragon. I think it is most likely a cache of eldunari, but i also agree with someone else who said they doubt it will come down to a contest of eldunari strength…that would seem a bit predictable and somewhat anti-climactic in my opinion. I think in Inheritance we may hear a little more from Galby himself though, and I bet Murtagh finds a way to break his bond to Galby too. Why else would C.P. have Eragon tell Murtagh about changing one’s true name? i’m thinking the new king, once Galby is gone, will be Orrin. They mention, i think in eldest, that he is also a decendant of Mad King Palencar.

  • Sarah

    Bid’daum was the first Eragon’s dragon. The dragon that formed the pact with the elves didn’t have a name, so maybe it could be that dragon. I think it is most likely a cache of eldunari, but i also agree with someone else who said they doubt it will come down to a contest of eldunari strength…that would seem a bit predictable and somewhat anti-climactic in my opinion. I think in Inheritance we may hear a little more from Galby himself though, and I bet Murtagh finds a way to break his bond to Galby too. Why else would C.P. have Eragon tell Murtagh about changing one’s true name? i’m thinking the new king, once Galby is gone, will be Orrin. They mention, i think in eldest, that he is also a decendant of Mad King Palencar.

    • Stefanos-1997

      Nice theory… i dont think it will be a cache of eldunari as a “whos got the largest cache”battle would be boring and i think it will be something really odd and surprising and fascinating

  • broxij

    i know the three main theories are popular but what if the vos and rok are something to do with the grey folk. the rock of kuthian may be something to do with how the grey folk changed magic and the vault of souls may be how the grey folk have preserved themselves because they no longer had enough energy to maintain a physical form so have tried to keep their mind and soul alive in an alternate state

  • Anonymous

    I know that someone has already said this but it really would be silly to get to the end of the book and then just having a battle between who has more Eldunari. It would be a much more epic scene if Galby lost all of his Eldunari, Then had to fight, Eragon, Greeny, and possibly Murtagh as well. 3 against 1 are good odds only if you are among the 3. 
    I was not trying to say though that Eragon may have to break the minds of all of the dragons I just think that it would be impractical. but also remember if the VoS does contain Eldunari then Eragon will have to get all of their permission to use them, then he would have to transport them to where ever he will  fight Galby. That is why Galby has not left Urubaen(sp). he would be not as powerful. but then this begs the question on how murtagh carried with him all of the Eldunari when fighting Eragon there were no saddlebags or awkward bulges? this part gets me about them. isnt there a range limit on them?

  • Anonymous

    I agree. I think maybe Sharktooth island. everywhere else has been used in the books even the 5 islands in the south during the beor’s eye part in eldest. 

  • I went online to order Inheritance at the library so when it comes out I have a chance to read guess what I am the 156th person on that list

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      That sucks I was first to get the book and audio book at my library.

      • lucky i didnt know that we could do that so just for fun i typed in INHERITANCE at my library’s website and then I just figured out that you could pre order the book at the library. thank god i am getting a kindle at Christmas

        • Rogerlairdwriting

          You should look for the audio books.

          • i know but 87 people are also on that list I am going to die but I can wait we have wait for years after all right?

          • i know but 87 people are also on that list I am going to die but I can wait we have wait for years after all right?

  • Niniach

    I agree that the Vault probably has something to do with dragons, whether it’s a cache of Eldunari, or otherwise.  The chord that ‘Kuthian’ strikes in Oromis and Arya’s memories could be a lingering remnant of the ancient bond with the dragons, which has waned so that they can’t really remember what it is.

  • Austin Littley

    This is my personal theory and it makes everything come together I believe.  It takes bits and pieces from several of the common theories.  

    It is mentioned that no one knows the name of the original Eragon’s dragon.  I propose that the dragon’s name is Kuthian.  The original Eragon and his dragon, Kuthian, hid a cache of wild dragon’s Eldunari during the Dragon Elf war.  When the dragons and elves made peace, it became common knowledge to the elves that the cache existed.  However, when the Forsworn were stripped of their names, the dragons hid the knowledge of the Eldunari cache also, which explains why Oromis and Arya recognize the name “Rock of Kuthian.”  

    When Eragon and Saphira find the cache of Eldunari, Kuthian (the original Eragon’s dragon) will be guarding the vault and will recognize the name Eragon because that was the name of his rider.  Then Kuthian will let them pass into the vault of souls. 

    Everything falls into place and makes sense.
     

  • Austin Littley

    This is my personal theory and it makes everything come together I believe.  It takes bits and pieces from several of the common theories.  

    It is mentioned that no one knows the name of the original Eragon’s dragon.  I propose that the dragon’s name is Kuthian.  The original Eragon and his dragon, Kuthian, hid a cache of wild dragon’s Eldunari during the Dragon Elf war.  When the dragons and elves made peace, it became common knowledge to the elves that the cache existed.  However, when the Forsworn were stripped of their names, the dragons hid the knowledge of the Eldunari cache also, which explains why Oromis and Arya recognize the name “Rock of Kuthian.”  

    When Eragon and Saphira find the cache of Eldunari, Kuthian (the original Eragon’s dragon) will be guarding the vault and will recognize the name Eragon because that was the name of his rider.  Then Kuthian will let them pass into the vault of souls. 

    Everything falls into place and makes sense.
     

    • Niniach

      Wasn’t Eragon I’s dragon’s name Bid’daum?  Still, good theory…

    • JW

      Yes, the first Eragon’s dragon was named Bid’daum. Also, was the vault of souls ever common knowledge to the elves? Not even Arya new of them until Eragon told her the story. Oromis said that it was one of the most treasured secrets of the dragons and no one other than the more advanced riders were even told of them. Therefore, I don’t believe the elves truly ever knew of their existence. I just find it interesting how Arya thinks she has heard the name before even though she can not remember from where. Oromis might have heard of it through Gladr but Arya would have had no such connection. Therefore, I do not know exactly why both could remember the feeling of hearing the name while neither could truly remember.

      • Majialei

        No,
        Eragon I’s Dragon is called Bi’duam nowadays. But no one knows what
        his name actually was if I recall correctly. So his name very well
        could be Kuthian.

        • Guest

          you recall wrong, in eragon it says the first Eragon named his dragon bid’daum.

          • Majialei

            Oops!!  That’s right!  You’re right I’m wrong. My bad.  😀 

          • Majialei

            Oops!!  That’s right!  You’re right I’m wrong. My bad.  😀 

    • Anonymous

      Good theory, but I think Eragon has to speak his true name to open the vault of souls.  And as others have stated, Eragon the 1st dragon was named Bid’daum.  Nobody knows the name of the first white dragon.

  • Austin Littley

    This is my personal theory and it makes everything come together I believe.  It takes bits and pieces from several of the common theories.  

    It is mentioned that no one knows the name of the original Eragon’s dragon.  I propose that the dragon’s name is Kuthian.  The original Eragon and his dragon, Kuthian, hid a cache of wild dragon’s Eldunari during the Dragon Elf war.  When the dragons and elves made peace, it became common knowledge to the elves that the cache existed.  However, when the Forsworn were stripped of their names, the dragons hid the knowledge of the Eldunari cache also, which explains why Oromis and Arya recognize the name “Rock of Kuthian.”  

    When Eragon and Saphira find the cache of Eldunari, Kuthian (the original Eragon’s dragon) will be guarding the vault and will recognize the name Eragon because that was the name of his rider.  Then Kuthian will let them pass into the vault of souls. 

    Everything falls into place and makes sense.
     

  • Austin Littley

    This is my personal theory and it makes everything come together I believe.  It takes bits and pieces from several of the common theories.  

    It is mentioned that no one knows the name of the original Eragon’s dragon.  I propose that the dragon’s name is Kuthian.  The original Eragon and his dragon, Kuthian, hid a cache of wild dragon’s Eldunari during the Dragon Elf war.  When the dragons and elves made peace, it became common knowledge to the elves that the cache existed.  However, when the Forsworn were stripped of their names, the dragons hid the knowledge of the Eldunari cache also, which explains why Oromis and Arya recognize the name “Rock of Kuthian.”  

    When Eragon and Saphira find the cache of Eldunari, Kuthian (the original Eragon’s dragon) will be guarding the vault and will recognize the name Eragon because that was the name of his rider.  Then Kuthian will let them pass into the vault of souls. 

    Everything falls into place and makes sense.
     

  • Arc231

    Idk if its just me but every theory I’ve read seems entirely possible I believe that the vault of souls has something to do Saphira and possibly her death I think it would be perfect with a big moment I’m sure CP is trying to capture after mentioning the Vault of Souls so long ago

  • Arc231

    Idk if its just me but every theory I’ve read seems entirely possible I believe that the vault of souls has something to do Saphira and possibly her death I think it would be perfect with a big moment I’m sure CP is trying to capture after mentioning the Vault of Souls so long ago

  • Arc231

    Idk if its just me but every theory I’ve read seems entirely possible I believe that the vault of souls has something to do Saphira and possibly her death I think it would be perfect with a big moment I’m sure CP is trying to capture after mentioning the Vault of Souls so long ago

    • UnknownGuy

      saphira I? saphira II is still alive after the events of inheritance

  • JW

    One
    theory that sticks in my mind concerning the Vault of Souls is that if
    it does contain the souls of dragons then perhaps the first Eragon was
    able to help the wild dragons hide their collection of souls during the
    war between the elves and dragons so their vast collection of wisdom was not destroyed by the elves.
    Therefore, Eragon’s name would be connected due to the first rider being
    the one to have hid them.  Again, like I said, just a theory.  However, I have heard many other theories
    that I have personally liked such as the First Eragon’s dragon still
    being alive and hidden in the spine or the Boer Mountains. 

    • Guest

      bid’daum is dead.

  • Leebrav123

    I believe that the Rock of kutherin is a hoard of enduria and that the reason oromis and arya can’t remember it is it’s a name of one of the foresworns dragons and he can’t forget the name because he dosent know the name and soluembum is a werecat so he can remember it I believe it’s in the beor mountains and he will find it in dwarf writing as they are an expert on rocks

  • Fafnir

    What if Brom’s true name was Kuthian? Then the rock of Kuthian could be his grave. I doubt it is, and I don’t know how it would help him if it is, but the thought just popped into my head.

    • UnknownGuy

      but then how would solembum know about it?

  • Chasebqg

    I was reading the different theorys when i had a thought. What if the rock of kuthian is actually an ancient eldunari charged with guarding the vault of souls? The name of the dragon might have been kuthian therefor his eldunari might have been called the rock of kuthian.

  • Alex

    What if the Vault of Souls really contains the souls of all the dead.  By then Eragon might have learned more about spirits and discovers the spirit of Brom.  He summons Brom’s spirit and allows Brom to over take him and create a Shade thats a Rider.  Since Brom would b the spirit who took control, the Shade would have good intentions and would just give power to Eragon who still controls his body?…This is very far fetched but just a thought that came to me.

    • UnknownGuy

      humans are not spirits after they die. Eragon asks Arya:
      “They aren’t human spirits, are they? Nor elf, nor dwarf, or those of any other creature. That is, they aren’t ghosts. We don’t become them after we die.”
      “No. And please do not ask me, as I know you are about to, what, then, they really are.”

    • UnknownGuy

      humans are not spirits after they die. Eragon asks Arya:
      “They aren’t human spirits, are they? Nor elf, nor dwarf, or those of any other creature. That is, they aren’t ghosts. We don’t become them after we die.”
      “No. And please do not ask me, as I know you are about to, what, then, they really are.”

      • Guest

        arya hasn’t bin to the vualt of souls

    • UnknownGuy

      humans are not spirits after they die. Eragon asks Arya:
      “They aren’t human spirits, are they? Nor elf, nor dwarf, or those of any other creature. That is, they aren’t ghosts. We don’t become them after we die.”
      “No. And please do not ask me, as I know you are about to, what, then, they really are.”

  • UnknownGuy

    I don’t know if anyone has already found this, but if you agree that this could be a huge finding, please get Mike Macauley to see it!

    Over the books, Eragon has had some pretty important dreams, such as the dragons over the boat, or the encounter with Murtaugh. Here is another one i think might be related to the Vault of Souls. In Brisingr, on Pg. 252, eragon is on saphira right after a feast with the villagers of Carvahall. 

    ” Rest if you want, little one, said Saphira. I shall not let you fall.
        And he rested, and visions beset him of a circular stone city that stood in the center of a endless plain and of a small girl who wandered among the narrow, winding alleys within and who sang a haunting melody.
        And the night wore on toward morning.”

    I think the small girl mentioned might be Elva, but that might be crazy. And where is he? Endless Plains? Circular Stone City? If this is indeed the Vault of Souls, then where is it? Of course I may be getting exited over nothing and just jumping the gun. Please let me know if you think this is consequential in any way in the comments.

    • Rogerlairdwriting

      I personally think that most of eragon’s dreams are more important than he realizes. You may be on to something.

    • Dark Lord of Darkness

      Elva, or one of the young elves, but Elva seems far more likey.  Didn’t CP say she has a major role to play out in Inheritance?

    • Anonymous

      In my opinion, it’s Elva and the city has to be Urubaen.  There are no other cities in the empire that are situated in the “center of an endless plain.”  Every other city is either on the coast or next to the Spine. 

      • UnknownGuy

        Eragon might not have time for this, but what if it isn’t in Algeasia?

    • Sarahmck93

      i think it might be in the centre of the hadarac desert at du fells nangoroth? isnt that where the wild dragons used to store their eldunari before the elves and dragons joined forces and then moved them ?? maybe there is a cache of ancient dragon eldunari who disaproved of the elves bond and so chose to stay put? that is one of the places that saphira and eragon havnt been yet and it is a big rock? but yeah i dont know my mind is going a million different directions 🙂 im so excited!

      • UnknownGuy

        So am I!

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  • Optimus

    Just posted, but I just had another thought. It could be that it was prophesied that the Fall of the Riders would occur and Eragon would be the first rider after the fall. So the Riders at the time put aside the Vault of Souls for Eragon, shielding it – and it’s name – with magic so that only Eragon could remember the names of The Rock of Kuthian and The Vault of Souls and be the only one to access their power through him speaking his true name.

    • Nutcase_fruitcake

      Very unique theory, but i like it!

    • Guest

      If that was true Oramis would have known about it

  • Optimus

    This theory is quite outlandish, but could the Vault of Souls contain spirits that Eragon could control without becoming a Shade?

  • Bencundiff1

    I think the Grey Folk might be there and when Eragon goes there he gets them to help him. I have many theories on what might happen next.1. They strip Galby of his eldunaris2. They make Eragon able to say Galbys true name3. They change Murtaghs true name, allowing him to join Eragon
    OrThe Rock of Kuthian is really just a crystal type thing, that contains something (like souls)

  • Mojoman

    I think that the Vault of Souls is Galbatorix’s cache of eldunari.  If it were a different cache of eldunari then the final battle btwn Galby and Eragon would be hundreds of eldunari on one side struggling against hundreds on the other side.  Could you imagine what that kind of power would do to the countryside?  

    Oromis stated that the pommel of Naegling had enough energy stored in it to move a mountain, and that is nothing compared to the power Galbatorix has at his disposal.  If Eragon and Galby went at it throwing spells at each other with the might of hundreds of eldunari behind them it would lay waste to Alagaesia.  More, likely would be disconnecting Galby from his eldunari to level the playing field and then have a confrontation between them.

  • tucker0993

     its a place where magic has no power, in a void of some kind.  somewhere in the series it has been said that from time to time two people would fight in such a place, itd be a great place for a final show-down with galby

  • Ratliffkyle117

    I think it might make Eragon more powerful at guarding his mind and attacking the mind of others to gain advantage over them (i.e. Galbatorix). It would tie in nicely with the blessing Garrow Eragon in book 1. He said something along the lines of let no man control your mind or something.

  • W. O. A.

    Could it possibly lead to the true name of the ancient language? Thus giving Eragon power over all magic users dimishing the king’s power? Just my thoughts.

  • Madeja_john

    I have two theories none of which match anyone previous idea I have seen

    1. The vault of souls is where eragon will have to mention his true name to open it in which the name of the ancient language could be present which if anyone remembers brom said would be a word on which he could change the way the language works.

    2. eragon wants to learn about controlling spirits etc in the books he finds it continously interesting. the vault of souls is well what he needs maybe he controls this vault of souls which gives him so much power he is able to overcome galbatorix.

    John Madeja.

  • Madeja_john

    I have two theories none of which match anyone previous idea I have seen

    1. The vault of souls is where eragon will have to mention his true name to open it in which the name of the ancient language could be present which if anyone remembers brom said would be a word on which he could change the way the language works.

    2. eragon wants to learn about controlling spirits etc in the books he finds it continously interesting. the vault of souls is well what he needs maybe he controls this vault of souls which gives him so much power he is able to overcome galbatorix.

    John Madeja.

    • Rootbeer1999

      I feel like you brought up a VERY good point about the spirits.  Everyone is intent on making out the souls to be dragon related, when in fact, the truth could be “hidden in broad daylight.”  Definitely a fresh perspective on things.  I’m thinking dabbling in spirits could lead to his need to leave alagaesia for the good of everyone, probably himself included, which is, in my mind, similar to that of the end of the lord of the rings trilogy.  And, as many have pointed out, Paolini seems to use ideas and names from other authors.

  • Bromsson17

    based upon the other books surprises it will be something comlpletely differant. Christopher has surprised us many times who says he wont again

  • Mattsmistake

    Maybe the Vault of Souls is where Galbatorix keeps all of his Eldunari, and by opening it, Eragon can increase his own power, while diminishing the Kings. Just a thought.

  • Bookworm9

    Whats interesting is when it says “When you rpower is insifficent.” Therefore the Vault of Souls/Rock of Kuthian must contain power and/or wisdom. If he speaks his name then his name must have some relevance as to why it opened. Some fortune teller knew he would need the help? Or because he shares a name with the first Dragon Rider. Maybe whatever the secret may be it is from the original Eragon to the Eragon of the present. Just random thoughts that may or may not be relevant.

  • AwesomeBlossom

    What if, when he speaks his name into the vault of souls, he inherits the power of the first eragon and is now powerful enough to defeat galbitorix?

  • RogerLairdWriting

    Okay so I noticed through some of the posts that everyone assumes that the new rider will join eragon, I find it more likely that he will join on galbatorix’s side. Aside from finding an old rider that has been hidden or discovering a character has been hiding the fact that they are a rider, angela would be my favorite character for that scenario, it wouldnt be much help that the third egg hatch and its rider help eragon. The dragon would be too young and he wouldnt want to enhance the growth. I think that since murhtag has some chapters from his point of view, christopher may lead us through his journey changing his true name and escaping to join eragon and the varden. This would be a more equal paring against galbatorix and a new rider.

    • SSP232

      Interesting theory but I personally believe the new Rider will be Arya just because Paolini knows Eragon needs help and who better to help than an incredibly strong elf Rider? Also the correlation b/w Arya’s magic and the dragon’s color. But, I say its more likely that the new Rider will be chosen after Eragon/Varden/Elves obtain the final egg, so they have the ability to influence the Rider’s loyalty. Additionally, I think the book will take place over the course of almost a year to allow time for the Rider and his/her dragon to mature and grow stronger to be a threat to either side and because Sapphira (not sure if I spelled that right) grew to be pretty big in a similar timespan. 

      • RogerLairdWriting

        Obviously I am just stabbing in the dark. I have several theories about many different aspects of this whole story. Being a novelist myself and just recently finishing my first novel in my Legacy series, I look for the non obvious likelyhoods in a story that are still plausable. Like my Menoah tree theory about elf children below, unlikely but highly plausable and would fit the story. As I said before, orimis and glaedr have remained a secret for a long time and it might be likely that anothr rider from the old order has survived and angela would be my favorite person to be that rider. It would be comical and scary for the empire. I also have a theory that the young girl that angela cast the dragonbones for was the new rider headed to train with oromis. Her companion was, in my theory, salina, eragon’s mother who would have been held in prison until she escaped and stole galbatorix’s last dragon egg. Also that the girl may be eragon’s sister or maybe half sister, if galbatorix raped salina or something like that after imprisoning her. Brom said she was dead, but he could have lied or not known, paolini never says that he saw her body. It wiuld be fitting that the third rider were related to eragon like murhtag was.

  • Sranjan 2007

    I think(mind you it’s what I think and it’s not a fact) that all that the answer comes from the things we have been ignoring.

    The way galbatorix is handling eldunaris. He isn’t going to be carrying a polybag holding them to battle hanging from shruikan. Yeah there are far more elegant ways but I don’t think he would be actually carrying them. Remember what Eragon saw about some nerve or something( I don’t remember exactly but he did notice something unusual about murtagh, maybe some nerve in his neck). Also he sensed a more than one minds when he reached murtagh’s mind. Again it is possible that the eldunaris were kept seperately but until then and after that eragon was able to concentrate on one mind ignoring all others around it. Also Eragon could not see where murtagh was carrying the eldunaris.

    Also when oromis had told galbatorix that he knew where his power came from and that it was going to end sometime, galby had laughed and said that oromis knew nothing and that he had grown close to a god.And this he said through murtagh’s mouth.

    All this I think indicates that galbatorix has found some other way to use eldunaris then the conventional one and that method will be foiled by the VOS.

    Also, I have got a strong feeling the book, ******* wyrda or wyrd or whatever will be important.
    Reasons :

    1 Book was not just given to eragon, but it was mentioned time and again in some or other way by CP so that it’s not forgotten.

    2. CP said Tenga will come into play and it was again mentioned that he had the book.

    3.Also, Eragon has yet not started reading the book. CP could have said that he read it to pass his time but if it holds some info that will come into the use then CP would rather not make him read it before that.

    4.Now since this book was read by Joed and many others who needn’t have bothered about the word “Kuthian” because neither solembum nor eragon has said anything about it to them so it could hold the word.

    5. Both oromis and arya would have read this book so it definitely strikes a chord in their memory but  since oromis didn’t have it he couldn’t tell eragon.

    Please do correct if you are sure that I have Quoted wrong facts from the book

    • Sranjan 2007

      MIscellaneous fact: We are to see an elven death in the final book, oromis is already dead so he is excluded. Also Arya is the only one who hasnot inherited toll now so I think Islanzadi would die. Please do comment about this also

      • SSP232

        I disagree, while Islanzadi is a huge character being the leader of the elves and all, I say we’re more likely to see Nasuada die. I don’t know who would succeed her but Nasuada has played such a big role rivaling that of Oromis in my opinion that her death would probably shock us.

        • Haileydog101

          Nasuada is a human not an elf

      • UnknownGuy

        haven’t we already seen that islanzadi is still alive from Eragon’s guide to algeasia?

      • Lil Uhura

        If the funeral were to happen early on in the book, then Oromis wouldn’t be excluded

  • i would like to say this: the “vault of souls” is, in all likelihood, just that. a vault of souls. if this is true, why hide it with magic? because of the nature of spirits, depicted by the visitation of them to Eragon and Arya while on the plains on the trek back to the Varden in Brisingr… if their nature holds similar for all of their kin, then of course it should be hidden in the way it was. But then, again, why can Eragon AND Solembum remember the names of these places? because of their inherent magical nature as a Rider and werecat, obviously. Also, the fact that Eragon’s name is the “key” to open the Vault, it can also be assumed that its possible that, Eragon the first was its creator, or the one who sealed the Vault, if as GingerEyes says, it is possible that even the Grey Folk’s souls are there too, am i not correct?

    • RogerLairdWriting

      The only problem with this theory is that it has been stated on several occasions that the spirits are not the souls of men and the like, but a completely different force all together.

      • Guest

        what if spirits are the souls of the Gray people?

        • Rogerlairdwriting

          That may be but I think it is unlikely. Though, if spirits are the grey folk it is my belief that their “spirit form is their real form.

  • GingerEyes

    I saw a comment below relating to the Grey Folk. This struck me like a bolt of lightning; what if the Grey Folk reside within the Vault of Souls? What if this Vault contains their spirits, or souls, or what-have-you, as a way to keep themselves and their knowledge and wisdom and power alive? Seeing as how these people were strong enough to bind magic itself to the ancient language, having them as allies wold give Eragon untold power and assistance, especially since we don’t know what else the Grey Folk could do. Could they know of a way to mentally “steal” Galbatorix’s Eldunari from his influence?

    • RogerLairdWriting

      Finding out that eragon exists may be enough to change the eldunari enough through the hope they would gain to free them from galbatorix’s influence.

  • Hermit020287

    i think rather than thinking of eragon getting stronger why not just even the playing field by stripping Galbatorix of his eldunari which he got by toturing and forcing the previous riders and the dragons to give to him… that way it will be more exciting… hehehe and to free those pityful dragons soul trapped in their heart of hearts… 

  • Hermit020287

    heres another theory of mine. what if the rock of kuthian is a door a door to the vault of souls… and vault of souls can put the dragons or absorbed the souls of the dragons trapped in their ildunaris to rest. i mean galbatorix is so powerful because of his collection of eldunari. and its clear that eragon even with the help of the new rider and glaedr’s eldunari is not powerful enough to topple Glabatorix and Mortough. what if the vault of soul is to take the power of all of eldunari and those souls trap in it and put those miserable dragons to rest… it will be then a battle using their own strength. Galbatorix will lost his advantage over the new riders. aside from that it will be a 2v2 rider battle and Eragon can still use the secret technique taught to him be his master to use energy from his environment… so the lot of the Varden and even the elves and Dwarves can still help him battle Galbatorix… and since i think the last battle will be in Uru Baen i think the rock of Kuthian is in Uru Baen i think its not reasonable to think its far away since Eragon will have no time to wander around looking for it so i think the rock is just nearby. and isnt it Uru Baen was once the head Quarters of the dragons Riders order in the past? 

    • lastrider

      that would be cool

    • Madeja_john

      no ura baen was the capital of the elves.

      • Guest

        no, ura baen was a city of the elves, not the capital

  • Writerintraining

    would it be possible that the vault of souls contains a way to talk with dead characters like Brom, Oromis, or Eragon 1 and Bid’duam?

    • Bookworm 9

      I can;t imagine that would be possible because while Eragon may gain wisdom and all he would still be just as powerless unless that led him to another place of power which would just be a treasure hunt.

  • Frankblanigan

    sharktooth island duh

  • Frankblanigan

    sharktooth island duh

  • Disorderly Conduct

    What if the vault opend a sort of acsess to the grey folk and they were really powerfull and they revived brom and or eragon/bid daam

  • RogerLairdWriting

    Wouldnt it be ironic if the rock of Kuthian were hellgrind or perhaps the name given to Broms grave after Eragon made it. Maybe Oromis and Arya encountered the name while scrying the land. Maybe solembum spread the name himself or foretold of future events.

  • Rootbeer1999

    I’m thinking the “rock” of Kuthian is the eldunari of a very old dragon named Kuthian who can, as was similarly stated above, open the “vault of souls.”  The vault of souls may contain more eldunari, but i think it would be more interesting, and more eventful, if it were a cave or something with a colony of dragons.

    • SON OF THRIFK

      Maybe a little to obvious but still good points.

  • SON OF THRIFK

    OK so I think that it is a combination of the first and third theories. Instead of a combination of Eldunari it could be oooohhhhh…. I dunno…. maybe, ONE!!!! Eldunari!!!!! Let us remember that the first Eragon and Bid Duam were never bonded completely together as Argetlam “Silver hand” as they were before the peace between elves and dragons. So it is possible that Bid Duam is still alive in a location cough*cough* SPINE!! cough*cough*. So it would make sense that Bid Duam would have the largest Eldunari (a vast source of energy, power, and knowledge all  wraped in a giant and large Eldunari) in history. So the second part of mine theory is that the guardian is Bid. Would it not make sense that Eragon would have to speak his name at the rock of Kuthian (because he is named after first Eragon who had important ties to Bid Duam).  

    WORD

    • SON OF THRIFK

      I Like what your saying me……LOL

      • SON OF THRIFK

        Really you don’t say…….(INSERT INAPPROPRIATE WORD HERE)

  • SON OF THRIFK

    OK so I think that it is a combination of the first and third theories. Instead of a combination of Eldunari it could be oooohhhhh…. I dunno…. maybe, ONE!!!! Eldunari!!!!! Let us remember that the first Eragon and Bid Duam were never bonded completely together as Argetlam “Silver hand” as they were before the peace between elves and dragons. So it is possible that Bid Duam is still alive in a location cough*cough* SPINE!! cough*cough*. So it would make sense that Bid Duam would have the largest Eldunari (a vast source of energy, power, and knowledge all  wraped in a giant and large Eldunari) in history. So the second part of mine theory is that the guardian is Bid. Would it not make sense that Eragon would have to speak his name at the rock of Kuthian (because he is named after first Eragon who had important ties to Bid Duam).  

    WORD

  • lastrider

    it seems it would make sense to be on vroengard, 

  • I have said it before: The Vault of Souls will be in the Spine, it is the reason that Galbatorix lost halve the army. When Eragon returns home he will find it…

    • lastrider

      but when eragon returns, his home is destroyed by galbatorixes forces

    • lastrider

      but when eragon returns, his home is destroyed by galbatorixes forces

    • but there is a question in my mind. Why will Eragon return back to the Spine I mean unless in the book it says that Eragon has to go to the spinle to the Kuthian Vault of Souls. I think there might be an emergency regarding Eragon and Roran that’s how Eragonends up back in Palancar Valley but other than that I have my doubts

  • Teedle_de

    after readin alot of these comments i have a few unadressed things i want to point out. (i have listened to the books not read them so excuse the spelling) the belt of belot the wise…. remember how much power was stowed in the one jewel of oromis’s sword? eragon has 12. what if he opens the vault of souls and it completely charges that belt rather than him finding more eldunari? im thinking it wont be filled with eldunari at the least. that seems like the obvious answer and paolini doesnt do obvious. also what did the minoa tree take from eragon? a powerful magical being like that could take whatever she wants. maybe his bond to safira….  i dont know why i think that, but i have ever since i first heard that. it seems dark and twisted. maybe his bond to safira is taken and all hopes seem lost and his power is insufficient…..

    • PotionWillow207

      If his bond to Saphira had been taken her, then both he and Saphira would have known instantly.

    • RogerLairdWriting

      Ive said it before, I think she took sperm from him to make elf children, they are supposed to play a role in book 4 and when Eragon traveled with the urgal chief he told the story warning against agreeing to terms that are undefined. It was a child that was taken then, maybe some foreshadowing there?

  • Erik Pange

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  • RogerLairdWriting

    Christopher relates that the werecats and dragons are similar in nature. With the introduction of the werecats alliance, I thought it might play a role in this mystery. Perhaps the werecats have a way of preserving their souls similarly to the eldunari. Maybe with the help of the werecats, Eragon will access the use of the werecats stash of souls. If it is a stash of dragon eldunari, I think that the most likely place for its location would be the middle of the Hadarac Desert where the dragons used to live. Christopher has already mentioned this place and said he cut it from a previous book. Maybe this is because he wanted to introduce it for the first time when the vault is discovered. Also, Glaedr may be the one who supplies this information from a long guarded dragon secret. There were many things that were shared between dragons and not with the riders. Perhaps this is one of those secrets. Oromis may have encountered the secret in Glaedr’s mind. These are my theories.

    • RogerLairdWriting

      Also, in reguard to Eragon and solembum being able to discuss the vault of souls if it were hidden by magic, we already know that Eragon’s name was an important part of him entering the vault of souls. Perhaps the simple fact that Eragon is Eragon, aloud everyone to discuss the Vault of Souls and the Rock of Kuthian while Eragon was present.

    • Teedle_de

      i like your idea that oromis may have encountered the secret in Glaedrs mind…….

  • Tdg747

    Thanks for the vote of confidence man. I another series I’m reading the author used this ploy without having the leading man do the mundane reading.  Somebody else did it for him but all the real progress in the story line came from things contained in old books.  They just have a way of providing the key info at the right time if “someone” takes the time to read them.  Not everybody can spend their time at their gamepads killing the bad guys, somebody actually has to “learn” something.

    • Roberthastings1992

      what series was it??

  • I think the vault of souls will be the place where human souls go once the body of the soul is dead. The rock of Kuthian is like a human eldunari for all human souls. CP said we would see brom again but not in a way we might think this could be that way.

    • PotionWillow207

      Actually, what he said was that bringing people back from the dead would be discussed but not how we would expect.

    • BigFan

      im not sure i agree with your theorie, and i havn’t heard about the part where CP has said that we will see Brom again ( could you please put out a link where i could read about this?) but if CP has said this, then im thinking that we will see Brom in a memory, not that he will come back from “beyond” or whatever you want to call it.

    • Random dragon

      Through saphiras memory is were he sees brom

    • Random dragon

      Through saphiras memory is were he sees brom

    • Bromsson

      He sees brom through the first saphiras mind in her heart of hearts with the other eldunari at the vos

      • prophetG

        well i think that this is a good theory, but i think that the Bid’duam theory is more probable, but seeing brom in the first saphiras memories is good. a better twist would be to have brom having saphira 1s eldunari reduced in size with magic and it beeing the saphire in brom/eragons ring, “Aren”

      • prophetG

        well i think that this is a good theory, but i think that the Bid’duam theory is more probable, but seeing brom in the first saphiras memories is good. a better twist would be to have brom having saphira 1s eldunari reduced in size with magic and it beeing the saphire in brom/eragons ring, “Aren”

      • prophetG

        well i think that this is a good theory, but i think that the Bid’duam theory is more probable, but seeing brom in the first saphiras memories is good. a better twist would be to have brom having saphira 1s eldunari reduced in size with magic and it beeing the saphire in brom/eragons ring, “Aren”

  • Shiek

    Me personally, i believe that in the Vault of Souls Eragon will find the the Eldunari of the first Eragons dragon. Thats just what im thinking.

    • Bromsson

      I beleve you 100%

  • Rebecca Wogec

    My theory is that the “history of alagaesia book” that eragon was given contains other names for the rock and vault of souls. The fact that the names seem familiar to Arya and Oromis is that the common names are elvish and the names used by Solembum were werecat or human names that have not been spoken in years. These places Eragon could already know about, but Solembum could have refered to them by other names just as Solembum has many names himself.

  • Rebecca Wogec

    My theory is that the “history of alagaesia book” that eragon was given contains other names for the rock and vault of souls. The fact that the names seem familiar to Arya and Oromis is that the common names are elvish and the names used by Solembum were werecat or human names that have not been spoken in years. These places Eragon could already know about, but Solembum could have refered to them by other names just as Solembum has many names himself.

  • Loic Jordan

    Ok, i voted for Eldunari, but i also think it could be something else.

    I have an idea, one that hasn’t been brought out already.
    In the Vault of Souls, there could be the Grey people ! The ones that created the ancient language ! It was said in one of the books that after they did this incredible magic that created the AL, they disappeard and no one knows what happened to them ! Well, they could be inside the VoS, couldn’t they ?! They would help Eragon and Saphira, because they surely heve great magic powers ! Maybe they even answered all the questions the elves couldn’t ! I think that would be a great thing !!! 😀

    Now, the answers to SHURTUGAL’s questions :

    1) No precise ideas to where the RoK is, but maybe either on any of Alageasia’s island’s, in the Hadarack desert, or one of Du Weldenvarden’s moutains.

    2) 3 possibilities to what is in the VoS : an Eldunari cache (but i don’t really like this idea), Eragon the First and Bid’Duam (alive), or, the long ago hidden Grey people.

    3) Well, of the 3 theories, i think the most accurate is the Eldunari cache, even if the 2 others are also good.

    4) I think that if CP chose “The Vault of Souls” as the subtitle is, well, surely because it’s very important and it’s gonna take in big part in Book 4 !

    5) For Arya nor Oromis being able to remember what the RoK is, i think it’s because it’s really really ancient, or that it’s related to the elves, or that it goes with my theory mentioned above and it could mean that the Grey people made a charm that would make people not remember them because they wouldn’t want to be found.

    There, i’m done ! That took some time !^^

    • Anonymous

      ok um first of all they are the grey FOLK! 😉 secondly many people (including myself) have already proposed this theory sooooooo……

    • Loic Jordan

      yeah i just saw that sorry for everyone, it’s just that i didn’t read the comments. i did this only after.^^’

    • PotionWillow207

      The Grey Folk can’t have made a charm that made people not remember them. People DO remember them. So I’m not sure what you meant by that.

  • Tdg747

    I believe Eragon already has a source to identify both the rock and the Vault.  remember the big honking book given to him of the History of Alagasea.  It was last seen stowed under his cot in his tent with the Varden prior to the battle with Murtaugh.  As an author Christopher would want us to realize that books have real power and what better book than the original of the History.  we have already seen that this book was key to the stealing of Saphira’s egg through an underground passage known from reading what the book contained on Uru’baen and its secret precints.

    • PotionWillow207

      That book is forever and a day long. So “Inheritance” is going to suddenly be about Eragon-the-bookworm? He’ll skip the battles to sit in his tent and read and we’re going to spend the whole book reading all about Eragon reading Dormia Abu Wyrda (sp)? I don’t think Saphira would be too happy about that.

      • who says he will sit all day could read at night when he and Saphira normally talk and they can express their ideas how do you not know if the book even has titles to help Eragon locate the Vault Of Souls and The Rock of Kuthian?

        • Loic Jordan

          same idea man ! 😉

        • PotionWillow207

          So Eragon won’t get any rest? That would weaken him eventually, and he would become useless.

          Punctuation, please.

          • just for an hour or so i mean not all night. for an example half of cp’s fans dont stay all day and read we got work and jobs to do. So many fans actually read a couple of pages and get rest so i do not know what you are talking about

      • Tdg747

        Warfare has been said to be hours of boredom punctuated by moments of stark terror.  Eragon will have to take time to recharge his battery belt.  I can’t help but feel the book was mentioned in the first place precisely because it has a role to play – why the attention in the first book given to Eragon going to the trouble to learn to read in the house of the guy who just happens to own an original copy?  And, that copy being presented to him, given its worth, and the poverty of the owner and his wife at the time of the presentation?  Too many details are connected with it to be just a coffee table book for the occasional reader to peruse while Eragon is mixing the cocktails…………

        • Mojoman

          It is quite possible

        • PotionWillow207

          But in this particular book series, CP hasn’t made us read extensively about the hours of boredom. That doesn’t make for a good book. As I said, your idea would mean that “Inheritance” would be us reading about Eragon reading about Alagaesia.

          The only time Eragon has had a lot of time to sit down and peruse a book was in Ellesmera when he was studying with Oromis. Everytime Eragon is with the Varden he is running from one responsibility to another. And when he’s not, we typically don’t hear about it.

          • Tdg747

            My point originally was that the information may be in the book.  It may not be Eragon who discovers it.  Heaven help us if Eragon actually has to read something.  There are plenty of other possibles to do the actual reading while Eragon is out having all the fun.  All I’m saying is that the information, like the underground passage intel, may be in the book literally under his nose all the time.

    • Anonymous

      I like this idea alot. I think the book will have at least some role to play. i mean if I wanted to know whether or not the book had the info than i would just make a spell to tell me.

  • Fayt

    Well, if the vault of souls was just a cache of eldunari, I would feel
    REALLY, REALLY disappointed … I mean : it would just be a matter of ”
    who gathered the most eldunari”, not quite imaginative ……. And
    remember Brom said that Eragon was not a powerfull wizard so he had to
    use his head, his creativity … if he becomes as powerfull as Galba,
    Daddy’s words would be meaningless !!

    Hum … I have a weird theory (another one ):

    – I do agree that the vault of souls contains …. well … souls ! But what kind ? ( here the funny part):

    -It contains the souls of the grey folk !! Yeah, yeah, I know : why the grey folk ? :

    – we all know that this ancient people cast a spell to avoid Alagaesia
    to fall into decay. They knew words powerfull enough to cast the
    most powerfull spell in the history of the land.

    And I believe that the whole land of Alagaesia is now “soaked” with a part of their life, their soul …..
    With this theory, the vault would be a kind of “door” to communicate with the souls.
    Why would they listen, help ? What would they give to Eragon ? I have other theories about this part too ^^ ( If you want to listen to it just ask ). But … I’m in a hurry so … perhaps later !

    • PotionWillow207

      Actually, the spell that the Grey Folk cast wasn’t to keep Alagaesia from falling into decay. It was to bind the ancient language to magic.

      Also, why is it unimaginative if the winner of the battle is based on who has more eldunari? That’s what the story is now. Do you think it’s unimaginative now?

      • Fayt

        That’s right it was to bind the ancient language to magic : And they did it to prevent any more disaster … if you remember well : if they cast that spell it was to avoid people to do any “carelessness mistake” … because a stray thought could have huge consequences. And I do believe that one of those magic users nearly destroyed Alagaesia with that …. So YES : it was to prevent the destruction of Alagaesia 😉

        And : Why is that unimaginative ? Well, I guess you answered that question yourself : “That’s what the story is now” …. You’re right : It would be a SOOO obvious outcome. Most of people think it would go that way but when you’re talented enough to do a great book, you can give it a great ending. If it’s just a battle with “the number of eldunari”as the key, you will probably say :”Well, I knew it would end up like that” …

        I hope you understand my point of view ( even if you don’t agree with it ^^ )

        • PotionWillow207

          Just because it’s obvious to the readers doesn’t make it unimaginative, though. A lot of people who read the Harry Potter series were able to guess that Snape was actually a good guy, and that he would end up being important to Harry’s defeat of Voldemort. Just because a lot of people were able to figure it out, did it make actually reading about it in the last book any less amazing? No.

          I do understand what you’re saying. I just think that since this is the last book in the series all the major pieces have already been given to us. If people manage to put those pieces together correctly there’s nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t mean that the story is any less amazing. I’ve said this in other places in this thread, but I think when we finally read “Inheritance” a lot of people are going to slap their heads and say, “OMG, it was staring me in the face this whole time!”

    • Loic Jordan

      same idea man ! 😉

      P.S : this reply is for this comment. the one just above is wrong.

  • Somebod-e

    You would have to be a hard-core Star Wars dark side fan to know what I’m talking about when I say that I believe the Vault of Souls is going to be near what happens after a Thought bomb. The basic part is where thousands of souls were torn from their bodies, stripped of their identities and trapped within a physical object (in star wars it was a silver orb). The souls could then provide a source of immense power to anybody who wished because they were unable to form a single cohesive thougth. Here it is going to have been create because of a massacre or a failed ritual. Or it could be attempted to see into the future (remeber how we were told it caused the death of many powerful elven spellcasters)

    • PotionWillow207

      You do realize that you just described an eldunari, don’t you?

      • Asdkfjljsl

        Technically no, the thought bomb shreded hundreds to thousands of souls

      • Asdkfjljsl

        Technically no, the thought bomb shreded hundreds to thousands of souls

  • Mojoman

    We have to also consider that the inheritance cycle was originally only to have three books, meaning that Brisingr was supposed to conclude the series and as such we should have the lion’s share of information present to be able to understand the path the story will follow.  For this reason I do not believe that Christopher would have to introduce large plot points in the final book, like an army of Spirits,  the return of the grey folk, or the spirits of dead humans occupying the Vault of Souls.  If there were something new and big like that, the concept would have to have been seeded into the story  beforehand, not fully introduced in a fourth book that was never plotted out in Christopher’s original outline.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you for the most part, however Spirits -were- mentioned in Brisingr. And Eragon would not necessarily need an army of them, not when just one was able to transform a flower into living metal without any apparent strain. I think there is plenty of room for spirits to play a part in the final book, especially considering they have been rather mysterious up till now.

      • Mojoman

        True, but the books did differentiate the idea of a soul, from the living entity which is a spirit.  I think the vault would be the “Vault of Spirits” and not the “Vault of Souls” if it housed spirits.

        • Anonymous

          I suppose one thing to think about is that the Vault of Souls first came up in the first book; I know CP had the whole story outline planned when he started writing but its possible the specific details such as the differentiation didn’t crop up till later.

          • PotionWillow207

            I seriously doubt that he would change such an important plot line suddenly without explaining it to the fans. It would be the source of too much confusion. We would have gotten something, an new edition with the correct name or a correction in an interview or something. If it was that important, he wouldn’t just leave it as it was.

    • PotionWillow207

      That’s not entirely true. As someone pointed out below, we have already learned a little about the race of spirits in “Brisingr.” Also, CP said in an interview that Eragon would learn more about the power of spirits in “Inheritance.”

      You also have to consider that the reason we ended up with a fourth book is because the story changed as he was writing it. Characters were added which made a difference in the story (Angela and Elva); entire plot lines were added (Eragon staying behind in Helgrind, and the subsequent return journey); characters’ journeys have changed (Both Arya and Roran have different endings than he originally intended).

      While I agree that we have most of the pieces already, CP has told us that we will not get all the loose ends tied up. That he has included plot lines in “Inheritance” that will be left open for use in future books. So we cannot say that we won’t get any major new information in the last book.

      • Mojoman

        Sorry but I am not understanding what is “not entirely true” about my post.  If you noticed I put the words “I do not believe”, meaning that it is my opinion… not stated fact.  As for changes in story lines as CP wrote, and story lines that will be left open… that we all are aware of, and has nothing to do with me thinking that CP would not just pull something out of left field for the vault of souls.

        • PotionWillow207

          I was referring to your thought that CP wouldn’t include something that was not in the original plot line. He has told us several times that there are lots of things that ended up in the books that were not originally part of the story. And he has specifically told us there there would, in fact, be new things that would be used for the plot of what he calls “Book 5.” So while I agree that the whole Vault of Souls storyline has probably not changed much from his original intentions, you can’t say that he won’t “pull something out of left field.”

          • Mojoman

            What I am saying here is that Christopher only realized that he would need to write a fourth book after he was already partway through Brisingr, which was to be the final book of the series.  That is why I find it unlikely that huge plot points would have to be fully introduced and developed in the book 4 that was never supposed to exist.

          • Mojoman

            What I am saying here is that Christopher only realized that he would need to write a fourth book after he was already partway through Brisingr, which was to be the final book of the series.  That is why I find it unlikely that huge plot points would have to be fully introduced and developed in the book 4 that was never supposed to exist.

          • Mojoman

            What I am saying here is that Christopher only realized that he would need to write a fourth book after he was already partway through Brisingr, which was to be the final book of the series.  That is why I find it unlikely that huge plot points would have to be fully introduced and developed in the book 4 that was never supposed to exist.

          • Mojoman

            What I am saying here is that Christopher only realized that he would need to write a fourth book after he was already partway through Brisingr, which was to be the final book of the series.  That is why I find it unlikely that huge plot points would have to be fully introduced and developed in the book 4 that was never supposed to exist.

  • Mojoman

    I am a firm believer in the possibility of the Rock of Kuthian being an eldunari that is guarding a horde of other eldunari.  It just makes too much sense that the Vault of Souls is a trove of dragon souls in eldunari, whether that trove is a hitherto undiscovered one, or is in fact Galbatorix’s horde can only be guessed at.  I prefer to believe it is Galbatorix’s, as the final battle between Eragon and the old King would be catastrophic to Alagaesia, if it boiled down to hundreds of Eldunarya against hundreds more.  

    I also like the symmetry involved with the rock of Kuthian being the eldunari of one of the dragons of the foresworn, accounting for the odd reactions of both Arya and Oromis to its name.  If you believe that it is impossible because of the banishing of the names, see my earlier posts for why Eragon can say and remember the name “Rock of Kuthian”.

    • JohnnyBravo

      But Kuthian would not be able to be remembered! The. Banishing. Of. The. Names. The name itself would be completely gone, it wouldn’t matter if it was the dragons eldunari, the NAME would be gone, the eldunari is a part of the dragon, there’s no way that the banishing of the names wouldn’t banish the ENTIRE name, especially since the eldunari would BE the dragon at this point!

      • Mojoman

        The rules of the banishing of the names is ultimately up to Christopher and he will decide if it is possible or not that the Rock of Kuthian could refer to a forsworn’s dragon Eldunari. But I cannot agree with you that the dragon’s name would be gone.  If you read my earlier posts I have explained why.
        Just imagine for a second that Murtagh’s dragon Thorn had been one whose name was banished.  That would not mean that the word thorn would be wiped out of every dictionary in the land and unutterable by anyone.  That if someone by coincidence was named Thorn, that their identity would be wiped away as well.  That if some kid was playing in a rosebush and got scraped up, s/he would not be able to tell their mom that they got pricked by a thorn because the word no longer was able to be spoken or remembered.  What would be banished is the use of the word “Thorn” as it describes or pertains to Murtagh’s dragon.  If I decided to name some other object, “thorn” or “the something of Thorn” I would still be able to do it.  In fact, this detail may be the reason that Solembum called it the “Rock of Kuthian”, instead of “Kuthian’s Eldunari” which would not be possible because of the banishing.
        As I believe that the Eldunari is not the dragon, just as my liver is a part of my body but it isn’t me, but a physical vessel that either can, or not, hold the “soul” of a dragon it should be able to be referred to as an object, especially if the one who utters the name has no idea they are refering to a dragon’s eldunari whose name had been banished.
        If you want I can repost my earlier reasoning for why I believe this is possible.

        • Matt

          Well said

        • PotionWillow207

          Not true. Let’s pretend for the sake of argument that the Rock of Kuthian is indeed the eldunari of a Forsworn dragon named Kuthian. The Banishing of the Names took away every identifying feature of the dragons. They could not say whether they liked or disliked something; they could not say, “I am blue;” they couldn’t even call themselves dragons. By calling it the Rock of Kuthian, you are saying that it is a rock coming from or related to Kuthian. That means you are identifying Kuthian, which the Banishing of the Names does not allow.

          The rules for the Banishing of the Names have already been set up by CP. For some reason, a lot of people either didn’t read that part of “Brisingr,” or are choosing to ignore it.

          • Mojoman

            What exactly is not true?  Remember, we are all dealing with conjecture here, and what is “true” is not known by neither you nor I, that is why we are discussing possibilities.

            What is not true in your statement, is your assertion that “by calling it the Rock of Kuthian, you (I) am saying that it is a rock coming from or related to Kuthian”… that is exactly what I am not saying. If I had meant to say that, then I would have said Kuthian’s Rock and you would of course be correct in the incorrectness of my argument.

            The idea I am trying to get accross, is that through a play on words, CP could name the Eldunari “The Rock of Kuthian” without being prohibited by his rules on the banishing of the names.  By refering to the actual Eldunari, instead of the dragon it could work.  Has to do with semantics, which CP loves to play with (remember Elva’s curse was a matter of botched wording).  

            Getting back to my point about Thorn’s name hypothetically being banished.  I could chose to name a bowl Thorn drank water out of as “The Bowl of Thorn”, and theoretically get around the Banishing of the name, as refering strictly to the Bowl’sname, without focusing on its connection with the Dragon.  I am not saying that CP will go this way, I am saying that he could use this type of argument to justify the Rock of Kuthian as an eldunari of a forswarn’s dragon.

            What I find really hard to believe, is that three wise and intelligent beings- Oromis, Arya, and I believe Safira… all had similar strange reactions to the mention of Kuthian, which could be explained by the banishing of the names.  If CP wants to write it as just a collective, selective memory loss, that is his business, but in my opinion it would be very weak.

            As for a lot of people either didn’t read that part of “Brisingr,” or are choosing to ignore it comment… I think anyone who read the book read that part.  What you might have to consider is that there are different interpretations… yours may or may not be the correct one.

          • PotionWillow207

            First, we are not dealing with conjecture when it comes to the Banishing of the Names. I am basing my argument on the rules for that have already been established by Arya in “Brisingr,” page 206-207. I typed out part of that conversation in another part of this thread. I’m not sure what page it’s on right now.

            Second, Rock of Kuthian and Kuthian’s Rock are the same thing. Both mean a rock coming from or referring to Kuthian. If Kuthian were a Foresworn dragon, doing this would be a violation of the Banishing of the Names which states, according to Arya, that the Foresworn dragons were stripped of anything allowing them to identify themselves. Saying, “Rock of Kuthian,” requires you not only to say the name of a Foresworn dragon (you are right that it does not banish the general word); if the Rock of Kuthian were in fact the eldunari of a Foresworn dragon named Kuthian, it requires you to name that specific Foresworn dragon. The Banishing of the Names does not allow that.

            Your example with Thorn would NOT work because to call the bowl “Thorn’s bowl” you would have to identify Thorn. You could still use the word “thorn” and you could talk about other people or dragons with the name Thorn, but you could not use that word to refer specifically to the Banished dragon. You just cannot do that according to the rules that CP set up in “Brisingr.” Arya said they couldn’t name their likes or dislikes, tell what color they were, or even call themselves dragons. So even to call the bowl his bowl you are using that name to refer to a specific dragon whose (in this example) name had been banished. The Banishing of the Names does not allow this. The only way you might be able to get around this is if this hypothetical bowl belonged to another person or dragon named Thorn. You might be able to say, “Thorn’s bowl,” if you were referring to this second, unBanished Thorn, I’m not sure. But not if you are relating it to the Banished dragon.

            Could one of the Foresworn dragons have been called Kuthian? Absolutely. Might there have been another dragon named Kuthian? Sure. But the Rock of Kuthian cannot be anything related to that Foresworn dragon because it would violate the established rules of the Banishing of the Names.

          • Mojoman

            I understand where you are coming from with your logic.  I, however, beg to differ on your statement that “Rock of Kuthian” and “Kuthian’s Rock” mean the same thing.  They can mean the same thing, but you could also interpret them to mean different things.  You are stating that the Rock of Kuthian implies a rock that comes from Kuthian, such as “The Duchess of York” implies a duchess who belongs to or is from someone, something, or someplace named York, in which case you could interchange “Duchess of York” with “York’s Duchess.  I understand this completely, and by this interpretation then Rock of kuthian would be a violation of the Banishing of the Names.

            My point (which seems to escape you) is that you could interpret “Rock of Kuthian”, in a different manner, as a name/object unto itself thereby exempting it from the Banishing of the Names.  For example, the Straight of Hormuz is not necessarily a body of water that belongs to or is coming from someone, something, or someplace named Hormuz… it is a name unto itself of a body of water, and is therefore, not interchangeable with Hormuz’s Straight.  If CP decides to he can interpret “Rock of Kuthian” in this manner, which would mean it is not interchangeable with Kuthian’s Rock and Eragon would be able to speak the name and remember it.

            If you read my post, you will see that in my example I did not refer to the bowl as “Thorn’s Bowl” as you say I did, but as “The Bowl of Thorn”.  You are right that according to the Banning of names, it would be impossible to refer to a bowl that belonged to Thorn as Thorn’s bowl, which would imply direct possession.  Saying “Bowl of Thorn” would not necessarily imply possession, depending upon the way you interpret the language.  I could name a sword “The Sword of Thorn” which I could have previously stabbed, or at some point in the future stab, Thorn with and not be effected by the banishing of the names on that particular weapon.  It would probably be impossible to discuss the weapon’s involvement with the Dragon Thorn, but you could still say the name “Sword of Thorn”.  The same could go for the Bowl of Thorn, when discussing the bowl you would be able to name it, wouldn’t be able to say that a dragon named Thorn once used it to drink water out of it, or even discuss the origin of the bowl’s name. It is a matter of interpretation, and that is where the conjecture comes in… how CP interprets the title “Rock of Kuthian” is pure conjecture on our part.

          • Mojoman

            I understand where you are coming from with your logic.  I, however, beg to differ on your statement that “Rock of Kuthian” and “Kuthian’s Rock” mean the same thing.  They can mean the same thing, but you could also interpret them to mean different things.  You are stating that the Rock of Kuthian implies a rock that comes from Kuthian, such as “The Duchess of York” implies a duchess who belongs to or is from someone, something, or someplace named York, in which case you could interchange “Duchess of York” with “York’s Duchess.  I understand this completely, and by this interpretation then Rock of kuthian would be a violation of the Banishing of the Names.

            My point (which seems to escape you) is that you could interpret “Rock of Kuthian”, in a different manner, as a name/object unto itself thereby exempting it from the Banishing of the Names.  For example, the Straight of Hormuz is not necessarily a body of water that belongs to or is coming from someone, something, or someplace named Hormuz… it is a name unto itself of a body of water, and is therefore, not interchangeable with Hormuz’s Straight.  If CP decides to he can interpret “Rock of Kuthian” in this manner, which would mean it is not interchangeable with Kuthian’s Rock and Eragon would be able to speak the name and remember it.

            If you read my post, you will see that in my example I did not refer to the bowl as “Thorn’s Bowl” as you say I did, but as “The Bowl of Thorn”.  You are right that according to the Banning of names, it would be impossible to refer to a bowl that belonged to Thorn as Thorn’s bowl, which would imply direct possession.  Saying “Bowl of Thorn” would not necessarily imply possession, depending upon the way you interpret the language.  I could name a sword “The Sword of Thorn” which I could have previously stabbed, or at some point in the future stab, Thorn with and not be effected by the banishing of the names on that particular weapon.  It would probably be impossible to discuss the weapon’s involvement with the Dragon Thorn, but you could still say the name “Sword of Thorn”.  The same could go for the Bowl of Thorn, when discussing the bowl you would be able to name it, wouldn’t be able to say that a dragon named Thorn once used it to drink water out of it, or even discuss the origin of the bowl’s name. It is a matter of interpretation, and that is where the conjecture comes in… how CP interprets the title “Rock of Kuthian” is pure conjecture on our part.

          • PotionWillow207

            You seem to have lost track of the discussion. What you are suggesting is something totally different than what we were originally talking about. The original theory was the idea that the Rock of Kuthian is the eldunari of a Forsworn dragon named Kuthian. My argument is that this cannot be the case.

          • Mojoman

            I have in no way lost track of the discussion, nor am I suggesting something totally different than what I was originally talking about.  I am discussing how CP could use a play on words, so that the Rock of Kuthian could mean an eldunari which contains the soul of a dragon of one of the forsworn.  It makes perfect sense if you open your mind a bit.  If you read my prior posts you will see my line of reasoning.  To my mind, it is plausible… you can choose to agree or disagree, but ultimately it is up to CP to decide how the story plays out.

          • PotionWillow207

            First, we are not dealing with conjecture when it comes to the Banishing of the Names. I am basing my argument on the rules for that have already been established by Arya in “Brisingr,” page 206-207. I typed out part of that conversation in another part of this thread. I’m not sure what page it’s on right now.

            Second, Rock of Kuthian and Kuthian’s Rock are the same thing. Both mean a rock coming from or referring to Kuthian. If Kuthian were a Foresworn dragon, doing this would be a violation of the Banishing of the Names which states, according to Arya, that the Foresworn dragons were stripped of anything allowing them to identify themselves. Saying, “Rock of Kuthian,” requires you not only to say the name of a Foresworn dragon (you are right that it does not banish the general word); if the Rock of Kuthian were in fact the eldunari of a Foresworn dragon named Kuthian, it requires you to name that specific Foresworn dragon. The Banishing of the Names does not allow that.

            Your example with Thorn would NOT work because to call the bowl “Thorn’s bowl” you would have to identify Thorn. You could still use the word “thorn” and you could talk about other people or dragons with the name Thorn, but you could not use that word to refer specifically to the Banished dragon. You just cannot do that according to the rules that CP set up in “Brisingr.” Arya said they couldn’t name their likes or dislikes, tell what color they were, or even call themselves dragons. So even to call the bowl his bowl you are using that name to refer to a specific dragon whose (in this example) name had been banished. The Banishing of the Names does not allow this. The only way you might be able to get around this is if this hypothetical bowl belonged to another person or dragon named Thorn. You might be able to say, “Thorn’s bowl,” if you were referring to this second, unBanished Thorn, I’m not sure. But not if you are relating it to the Banished dragon.

            Could one of the Foresworn dragons have been called Kuthian? Absolutely. Might there have been another dragon named Kuthian? Sure. But the Rock of Kuthian cannot be anything related to that Foresworn dragon because it would violate the established rules of the Banishing of the Names.

    • Peewee6765

      eldunari are not able to use magic.like physical dragons it only comes to them sometimes.johnnybravo, i think the werecats may have some immunity to the banishing of the names as so little is known about them

      • I was reading the guide to alagaesia about werecats and it said that they mostly followed kings soo solembum does play a big part

      • PotionWillow207

        How come no one knows that they’re immune to it then? Especially considering that Maude hangs out with Izlanzadi.

  • anonymous

    what if, saphira dies and eragon then goes to the kuthian who is a dragon?

    • PotionWillow207

      Saphira is not going to die. The book “Eragon’s Guide to Alagaesia” is written from a post-Empire perspective, and in that book Saphira is traveling with Eragon.

    • There is no evidence in the guide to alagaesia that Saphira dies

    • There is no evidence in the guide to alagaesia that Saphira dies

  • anonymous

    either cp is gonna go back on what he said or its not gonna be eragons true name which opens the VOS , surely he cant have eragon find out his true name and speak it without actually telling us what it is…..

    • if eragon found his true name he would be in great danger because didnt it say that someone was trying to scry him? If that person who is scrying is Galby then he could take Eragon’s true name from him! The  we have a problemo and thats why I hope Eragon doesn’t find his true name

      • PotionWillow207

        At the end of “Eldest,” during the Battle of the Burning Plains, Murtagh tells Eragon that he was the one who was trying to scry Eragon during the trip to Ellesmera. As far as we know, the charm hasn’t been activated since then.

      • PotionWillow207

        At the end of “Eldest,” during the Battle of the Burning Plains, Murtagh tells Eragon that he was the one who was trying to scry Eragon during the trip to Ellesmera. As far as we know, the charm hasn’t been activated since then.

        • you dont know if galbatorix will ever try again in inheritance

    • PotionWillow207

      We don’t know that it’s his true name that he has to speak. I prefer to think that it’s something to do with his common name, Eragon, that he has to speak. At some point, the fact that he was named after the first Rider has to be important. Also, Solembum never said it had to be his true name. He just said “…speak your name…”

      • Lalala

        Besides, it seems to have some hidden importance from elves, remember Islanzadí’s reaction when Eragon told her his name?  (I read it in a foreign language so i don’t ha the exact quote) “We don’t usually give names imbued with such power to our kids”

        • PotionWillow207

          Exactly my point.

    • Anonymous

      ok he could have eragon figure out his true name and say it but not directly write it down in the books. that is what he did with sloanes true name. his true name is what makes most sense

      • PotionWillow207

        Actually, I think using his common name makes more sense. There has to be some significance to the fact that Eragon was named after the first Rider, and that hasn’t been referenced yet in the series.

        • Anonymous

          it has been referenced many times when characters talk about his name. if it was just “eragon” that would be to simple and wouldnt be interesting. i think that if it was that then i would kinda upset because thats just boring

          • PotionWillow207

            No, that’s not what I said. I know that characters have said several times that Eragon was named after the first Rider. What I said was that it hasn’t been reference WHY that is significant. And I never said that he would just walk up to the Rock of Kuthian and say, “Eragon.” It just makes more sense to me that this would be the perfect moment for CP to reveal the importance behind Eragon being named after the first Rider.

            It terms of whether it would be boring…. Well, would you find it boring if speaking his name to the Rock of Kuthian gave our Eragon access to something from or about the original Eragon? Like perhaps Bid’daum’s eldunari? I know that theory has been floating around, and I don’t think that would be boring at all.

          • Anonymous

            when I say boring i am not reffering to the fact that inside the vault of souls there might be something to do with Eragon 1, I was reffering to the fact that if the name he had to speak was just “Eragon” then there would be no excitement or journey to figuring out his true name.

          • PotionWillow207

            He can have that journey (though it may not be in this series) without it having to relate to Solembum’s advice. There is no hard evidence that the two are related.

          • Anonymous

            there is no hard evidence that any of this is related! we r just putting out theories. If we were only saying things that had hard evidence than there would be no theories at all and we wouldnt be having these articles!

          • Mojoman

            Well said!  

          • Anonymous

            i do understand yours and Hrothgar10’s points. 
            Personally I don’t think it’ll be “Eragon”. Actually, I’m trying to say is that perhaps the name itself is not what matters, but yes WHO says it. Maybe it works just like the ancient language, remember when Roran tries to learn magic. He speaks words of power, yet nothing happens cos he’s not a magician. The thing is, whatever is the name Eragon will say, I think that what matters is that the one who will allow him to enter the vault will consider Eragon himself instead of his name. it’s kind of confusing, but I hope you got me.

            Also, I don’t think there’s a whole special reason for Brom had named Eragon that way. I mean, Brom was a Rider, and Selena surely knew the history of those warriors. Also, both of them agreed that Galby should be defeated, therefore they may have thought that their son should be the one to end another war just as Eragon 1 did. at least they had hoped this happened.  you got me? 

  • Sranjan 2007

    I don’t understand why everyone is discarding the idea relating to eragon’s true name, I mean CP need not mention eragon’s true name to use it like he did in case of sloan.

    Imagine someone showing E2 the memories of E1 and he realises they are the same and when he comes to the point of speaking E1’s true name he just has to speak his own.NO need to actually mention the name, all CP needs to do is just write that he says the name.

    Also Kuthian cannot be anyway related to banishing of names because what was banished could not even be remembered and Eragon has held on to the word long enough to indicate that it is not banished.

    • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

      That’s what I said, no one wants to listen though 🙁

      • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

        about the banishing of the names

      • I totalyy are on your side on that

    • Anonymous

      seriously i have been writing both of these things this entire week but people keep repeating it and its getting annoying

  • Dexterslaborotory

    I agree with anonymous about Eragon’s name. And maybe the rock of Kuthian has Bi’duam’s eldunari in it. I think that Bi’duam is hiding within his eldunari, maybe something like what arya did in the first book when she was poisoned, and the only way to awake him would be by saying eragon’s true name, opening up the vault of souls which could be bi’duams eldunari because it has so much knowledge in it. This would also explain why oromis and brom never sensed any more eldunari’s, one of the major problems with the theory that the vault of souls has wild dragons eldunari in it.

    • but wouldnt there be a point of life from his eldunari like how eragon found all the ants? If that is true and Galbatorix knows that spell then thats another problem

      • Hi

        Yeah but wouldnt you think that izlanzadi would be able to find arya by mentally searching the land? and she probably would do that if she really wants to find her, so when she puts herself in a trance she probably cant be sensed by them, and therefore could be hidden, like an eldunari

        • I dont even know if Islanzadi knows that magic spell

          • Eschwartz

            its not a speel, its simply opening your mind. if u can use the mindtouich u can do it. by using the mindtouch u are doing it.
            that doesnt mean islanzadi is able to reach all the way to gilead to try 2 sense her

          • yeah i know but i couldnt find the word for it. but we just don’t know if Islanzadi knows how to do that

  • Anonymous

    Has anyone ever considered that Eragon’s true name could be the same as the first Eragon’s? I know that true names are dictated by character, but everyone is always comparing and mentioning the first Eragon to Eragon and Saphira and saying how powerful his name is. They also both are/were in similar situations, E1 trying to stop a war between dragons and elves, and E2 trying to stop a war between evil dragon riders and elves. E1 created the dragon riders, and E2 is recreating them after they’ve all but disappeared. Maybe the ROK and VOS was used by E1 for something and sealed it with his true name, thinking that he would be the only one able to open the VOS since it held great power or something similar.

    • PotionWillow207

      We’ll never know, though, since CP said that he will never put any character’s true name in the books.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the Spine is actually a very old dragon that has something to do with the Vault of Souls and Rock of Kuthian. The army of Galbatorix that went missing there, the mountains that could be the spikes on the dragons back, the strange, mysterious, and magical things that are said to happen there, and even the name (a spine of a dragon?) are evidence that the Spine is a dragon. As to what exactly the ROK and the VOS are I’m not sure, but I think it has to do something with the Spine, the only really unexplored place in Alagaesia besides beyond the Hadarac Dessert and the sea.

  • Derrickbutcher

    I think maybe the reason Eragon could remember/say the name has to do something with his namesake of the first rider.

  • ShrimpyJess

    If it IS a cache of Eldunari (which I believe it is), I feel sorry for the dragons inside. I’d probably go insane after being in a vault for so long!

  • Fire-sword

    I hope it is something more then Eldunari.

    • i hope it is a book of all the riders’ names and then eragon just has to find galbatorix’s name and walla DEFEEATED even though cp said he wont give away any names he could do something like: and then when eragon scrolled down the book right there was galbatorix’s true name!

      • Lalala

        Arya said there was some kind of spell that killed people who tried to use Galby’s True  Name.

        • PotionWillow207

          Actually, Oromis said that. But yeah, people who try to use Galbatorix’s true name die.

        • I know maybe in the vault of souls there might be something that helps deactivate that spell or something that will protect eragon from dying when he says that name

  • TheWindsWhisper

    Man there are some crazy theories going around. I am inclined to believe in the theory that the VOS is a cache of eldunari, but not in a way you would think. Its probably a collection of eldunari from ages past, before the Elves war with the Dragons. The Dragons being wise, probably realized the importance of the eldunari and hid them away from the world upon the death of each Dragon. They might have even protected the vault with magic so that nobody outside the Dragon race could remember its location or find it while searching with their minds, which would explain why its eluded discovery for so long. 

    Furthermore knowledge of this certain vault could have been shared with the elves when the two races joined souls to end the war. Which would also explain why nobody remembers it, because its so darn old. Over time fact distorted into legend, legend became myth and so on. Speaking the name “Eragon” to the rock of Kuthian would probably reveal the location of the VOS because it was probably the original Eragon who sealed the vault. 

    Just a thought of mine. But I still think Eragon will need natures wrath to defeat Galbatorix, for further info on my theory read my original post. 

    • Derrickbutcher

      @0c314312866cc0e9b91c8fe9441ea19b:disqus  While this could be true I don’t necessarily agree that only dragons would remember it because all dragons at birth are embedded with ancient knowledge but even with that being said Saphira nor Glaedr could remember what the Vault of Souls or Rock of Kuthian is or perhaps the magic prevented them from saying like if they had an oath in the ancient language embedded in them to prevent this.

      I think that Kuthian sounds like a dwarven name that and rock and dwarves are well known for having an attraction to all kinds of minerals lead me to suspect that the dwarves are somehow connected to the Rock of Kuthian.

      • I am wondering if it is somewhere in the boer mountains(sorry for misspelling)

  • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

    I agree that this is big nineteen now

  • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

    I agree that this is big nineteen now

  • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

    I agree that this is big nineteen now

  • JohnnyBravo

    Read my vault is home of spirits comment plz.

  • JohnnyBravo

    Read my vault is home of spirits comment plz.

  • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

    Technically since Mike had to skip a week doesn’t that make this the big nineteen?

  • TeenageMutantKungFuChickens

    Technically since Mike had to skip a week doesn’t that make this the big nineteen?

    • Anonymous

      but he did it with the podcasts. 

  • Nigjan29

    i have been thinking lately that getting into the vault of souls may give eragon a way to release galbatorixs eldunari from his control. not sure how though was thinking by breaking them but cant see that the elves would allow eragon to destroy all the dragons. cant wait to find out anyway.

    • Rick

      i was thinking that the vault of souls gives eragon the power to destroy all the eldunari and thus make galbatorix a rider of normal strength .. so to speak .. and that wud be the reason him and saphira leave alagaesia ?

  • Nigjan29

    i have been thinking lately that getting into the vault of souls may give eragon a way to release galbatorixs eldunari from his control. not sure how though was thinking by breaking them but cant see that the elves would allow eragon to destroy all the dragons. cant wait to find out anyway.

  • Saphiraimafan

    WHy can’t we choose guardian? D:

    • JohnnyBravo

      I’m just pointing things out as I see them, you don’t have to listen. I just don’t think some of these things are possible. Sorry just my 2 cents

  • Overlord

    I think that the rock of kuthian is an eldunari of one of the forsworn’s dragons. that is why no one can remember it.Maybe kuthian was the name of the dragon…

    • JohnnyBravo

      then noone would be able to say the name at all

      • JohnnyBravo

        sorry. no one

      • JohnnyBravo

        sorry. no one

      • JohnnyBravo

        sorry. no one

    • JohnnyBravo

      then noone would be able to say the name at all

    • PotionWillow207

      Go back to “Brisingr,” page 206-207 and reread the part about the Banishing of the Names. You cannot say the names of the Forsworn dragons, therefore if Kuthian were the name of a Forsworn dragon you would not be able to say “Rock of Kuthian.”

      A lot of people seem to have somehow missed this.

  • Guest

    Isn’t the Green Egg still with Galby?

    • JohnnyBravo

      yes

      • Guest

        So for it to hatch for the Good Side wouldn’t it mean they’d have to steal it then wait like 5 months or however many for it to even breath fire while having the rider trained unless(it’s arya then it will be easier and shorter) for them to even matter? or it hatched already for galby’s side.

      • PotionWillow207

        Actually, we believe that to be true, but we don’t know for sure.

  • Guest

    Could Kuthian be the White Dragon

    • JohnnyBravo

      No Glaedr specifically said that the white dragon’s name could not be expressed in ‘this or any’ language. and the white dragon was not bi’daum eragon 1’s dragon 

      • Rubydragon

        No, 1st Eragon’s white dragon is named Bid’aum. Not the unpronounceable name dragon.

        • PotionWillow207

          We don’t know what color Bid’daum was. No one has ever said. Bid’daum and the white dragon are two separate characters.

          • Matt

            If a dragon’s color matches that of their egg (which so far has been the case) then we do know what color Bid’daum was. When Eragon was visiting the Celbedeil in Tarnag he sees the lands history painted on the walls and the 1st Eragon was pictured holding a white dragon egg. This would indicate that Bid’daum was white.

          • Argetgarm

            This is true, Bid’daum was white.

        • PotionWillow207

          We don’t know what color Bid’daum was. No one has ever said. Bid’daum and the white dragon are two separate characters.

  • Mojoman

    I agree that the Rock of Kuthian refers to one of the forsworns dragons’ eldunari, which is guarding Galbatorix’s horde of eldunari (Vault of Souls).  I think that the elves recognize the name but cannot remember it due to the banishing of the dragons name’s.  The reason that Solembum and Eragon can remember and are able to speak the name Kuthian is that it is being used to refer to an eldunari and not the dragon to whom it belonged. When the dragons of the forsworn had their names banished, it did not mean that the name of the dragon no longer exists, it means that you could no longer identify the dragon by its name.  In other words, if one of the dragons was name “Peter”, having the name banished would not render people incapable of saying or remembering the name Peter in reference to other people or objects, just as it refers to the dragon in question.  Since the eldunari, is not the dragon (though it contains the soul of a dragon) you could refer to it without forgetting the name. ie/ Kuthian may be the name of the dragon (which no one can remember), but the rock of Kuthian is the name of an eldunari.  This I believe is the twist Christopher is planning.

    • JohnnyBravo

      the vault is not a cache of eldunarya, that would be too anti-climatic. also how the heck would eragon get to galby’s eldunarya at all? they’re no doubt in galby’s castle at uru’baen under the kings constant watch. also it wouldn’t matter if it was an eldunari or a dragon the name kuthian would be banished completely, even the HoH.

      • PotionWillow207

        Who said it has to be Galbatorix’s cache of eldunarya?

    • JohnnyBravo

      the vault is not a cache of eldunarya, that would be too anti-climatic. also how the heck would eragon get to galby’s eldunarya at all? they’re no doubt in galby’s castle at uru’baen under the kings constant watch. also it wouldn’t matter if it was an eldunari or a dragon the name kuthian would be banished completely, even the HoH.

    • ctuohy

      i agree, but also to render your theory correct solembum would have to know what it was (ie remember it was powerful) if he knew it could aid eragons strength. Which means that he would have to be immune to the banishing of names which means that were-cats have some higher power (ie know the name of the ancient language to override the spell) or have some magic that isn’t tied to the ancient language which opens up a whole new were cat alliance bonus

      • lalala

        CP actually said that werecats could do “whatever they want” or something like that, i don’t have the exact quote

    • ctuohy

      i agree, but also to render your theory correct solembum would have to know what it was (ie remember it was powerful) if he knew it could aid eragons strength. Which means that he would have to be immune to the banishing of names which means that were-cats have some higher power (ie know the name of the ancient language to override the spell) or have some magic that isn’t tied to the ancient language which opens up a whole new were cat alliance bonus

    • PotionWillow207

      The Rock of Kuthian CAN’T be a Forsworn dragon’s eldunari. If that were the case then no one would be able to say it. The Forsworn dragons were stripped of their names.

      • Mojoman

        Maybe I did not explain myself properly.  The forsworn’s dragons did in fact have a name, which was a certain grouping of letters.  Just because the dragons had their identity stripped from them, does not mean that people could no longer pronounce the certain grouping of letters in reference to other people or places.  For example, if a dragon was named Spain, since its name was vanished does not mean that anyone living in Spain would no longer be able to say the name of their country.  If one of the dragon’s name was Joe, once its name was stripped away does not mean you would have thousands of people, formerly known as Joe, wandering around the countryside that could no longer pronounce their own name or remember what it is.  The banning of the names robbed the dragons in question of their own identity.  You could still say and remember the word that was their name as long as it was in reference to something other than the dragon.  Hence the Rock of Kuthian can be spoken and remembered because Eragon has no idea it is referring to a dragon’s eldunari, he thinks it is the name of an actual rock, or a place.  Arya and Oromis, who knew of a forsworn’s dragon named Kuthian, on some level must recognize the Rock of Kuthian as its eldunari cannot recall the name and have that funny feeling of recognition associated with it.

        • PotionWillow207

          The Banishing of the Names removed any identifying factor from the dragons. Pretend the Rock of Kuthian were referring to the endunari of a Forsworn dragon named Kuthian. That means “Rock of Kuthian” is a rock coming from or related to Kuthian. That means you are identifying Kuthian, which the Banishing of the Names does not allow. Therefore it cannot be the eldunari of a Forsworn dragon.

        • Anonymous

          you prove yourself to be very clever. that i must agree, and makes sense to me. 

  • firemonkey

    I wish it was 11/8/11 instead of 8/11/11.

    • JohnnyBravo

      so do i

    • JohnnyBravo

      so do i

    • booboo

      i cant agree whit you more

    • do you mean 8/11/11 instead of 11/8/11

      • Anonymous

        damn americans

        • Anonymous

          i’m laughing so hard! Mandy, in British ways, they write dates like day/month/year XD 

        • Eschwartz

          damn brits

          • think you need to chill out, I’ve looked at all your comments on previous posts and they’re pretty out of hand. People are completely entitled to their opinions, and in no way can you tell people they’re wrong. 

          • think you need to chill out, I’ve looked at all your comments on previous posts and they’re pretty out of hand. People are completely entitled to their opinions, and in no way can you tell people they’re wrong. 

  • firemonkey

    I wish it was 11/8/11 instead of 8/11/11.

  • JohnnyBravo

    I will now post my theories about the vault being the home of spirits as JohnnyBravo

  • JohnnyBravo

    I will now post my theories about the vault being the home of spirits as JohnnyBravo

  • guest

    I think the meaning of “Speak your name” is either Eragon Shadeslayer or Eragon Bromsson. Because the vault could be the home of spirits and maybe Brom helped hide it from sight. What do you think?

    • firemonkey

      I think it is referring to Eragon’s true name.  Thus, he will have to learn his true name before he can open the Vault of Souls.

      • JohnnyBravo

        not that we’ll ever know what his true name is  🙁

      • PotionWillow207

        But how would that work in terms of us reading it? CP has said that he will never write out any character’s true name in the books.

        • Argetgarm

          well, you say this, but Eragon found sloans true name and all CP had us believe was that Eragon thought of the words in the ancient language that portrayed Sloan the most.

          • PotionWillow207

            But Solembum’s advice was “…SPEAK your name…”

    • firemonkey

      I think it is referring to Eragon’s true name.  Thus, he will have to learn his true name before he can open the Vault of Souls.

    • firemonkey

      I think it is referring to Eragon’s true name.  Thus, he will have to learn his true name before he can open the Vault of Souls.

    • ctuohy

      I think its his true name

  • Carlos

    you guys are retarded. just wait for the book to come out.

    • Anonymous

      everyone is entitled to their opinion about theories so let us have our fun with ours and dont be a jerk about it. if you want to just wait for the book to come out than dont come on this website.

      • The Thinker

        I think we are a little overeager tearing apart these theories- But yeah, we’re entitled to our opinions. 

  • Stonecutt3r

    Eragon hinted an interest in sorcery and summoning spirits.  I wonder if possibly the vault is comprised of spirits that may help in his time of need.  I know he was never formally trained on how to summon them as Oromis disuaded him of this practice, but maybe something will happen in Book 4.  I know spirits being equated to souls is a discussion all on its own, but i think it could be a possibility.  Since the dwarves are an ancient race, and again its called the Rock of Kuthian, i think it would be cool if it had something to do with Dwarves and maybe the spirits of their dead.  Just a theory!

  • Stonecutt3r

    Eragon hinted an interest in sorcery and summoning spirits.  I wonder if possibly the vault is comprised of spirits that may help in his time of need.  I know he was never formally trained on how to summon them as Oromis disuaded him of this practice, but maybe something will happen in Book 4.  I know spirits being equated to souls is a discussion all on its own, but i think it could be a possibility.  Since the dwarves are an ancient race, and again its called the Rock of Kuthian, i think it would be cool if it had something to do with Dwarves and maybe the spirits of their dead.  Just a theory!

    • Anonymous

      you know maybe the rock of kuthian has soemthing to do with the dwarven “gods” in the book. like the thing that came to Orik’s coronation. maybe that is what is in the vault of souls… idk…

  • CrazyDragonFanGirl

    I think we ALL agree that the phrase: ‘speak your name’ means Eragon’s true name. But the real question is: Why? The rock would have to be somehow able to recognize his name. For all we know somebody’s true name could be: Fricai which means friend. And if somebody else said than what? He would still be saying somebody’s true name. But than again it could also refer to the name Eragon itself. Not to our Eragon but to the Eragon, the first rider. Maybe only if it’s your name you can enter the Vault. It’s just a theory but I’m not going to try figuring out what the hell is the Vault of Souls. Instead I prefer thinking about the name thing. Most popular theory is that it means true name. But does it really? What do you guys think?

    • Levi Harrington

      If you remember what happened when Eragon spoke sloans true name. I imagine there is some magic that can since a persons reaction when they speak thier true name.

      • CrazyDragonFanGirl

        Perhaps. But still. I’m not sure if it means his true name. He wouldn’t share his name with the first rider if it wasn’t important. There has to be SOMETHING going on with that name.

    • PotionWillow207

      I don’t think it’s referring to Eragon’s true name. I think it has more to do with the fact that Eragon is named after the first Rider.

      • Argetgarm

        i don’t agree, i think that Eragon will come to the point where he is at the vault of souls and he still wont know his true name. Oromis and Glaedr said they knew it, but the question is.. will Glaedr tell Eragon his true name? or will he make Eragon figure it out for himself?

        • PotionWillow207

          Oromis did NOT say he knew Eragon’s true name. He said he thought he could guess it. That does not mean he knew, and it does not mean that his guess is correct.

          While it’s possible that Eragon may learn his true name, Solembum’s advice never said that it would be his true name that would open the Vault of Souls. He just said “…speak your name….” That, along with the fact that we still don’t know the significance of Eragon being named after the first Rider, leads me to believe that it has more to do with his common name than his true name.

    • Pasianodaman

      well that cannot be true, Fricai is the true name for friend. There cannot be 2 things with the same true name. True names of humans need to be specified as there is not only one aspect to any one human.

  • CrazyDragonFanGirl

    I think we ALL agree that the phrase: ‘speak your name’ means Eragon’s true name. But the real question is: Why? The rock would have to be somehow able to recognize his name. For all we know somebody’s true name could be: Fricai which means friend. And if somebody else said than what? He would still be saying somebody’s true name. But than again it could also refer to the name Eragon itself. Not to our Eragon but to the Eragon, the first rider. Maybe only if it’s your name you can enter the Vault. It’s just a theory but I’m not going to try figuring out what the hell is the Vault of Souls. Instead I prefer thinking about the name thing. Most popular theory is that it means true name. But does it really? What do you guys think?

  • guest

    NO the name galby is searching for wouldn’t be his own name, that wouldn’t give him dominion over the land. It might kill him to hear it. He wants the true name of the ancient language. All those wise ancient dragons would certainly be able help him figure it out. The Ra’zac lived there because it was a crossroads. Finally it said it would tell him that galby had almost found the name. Just my 200 cents

  • guest

    NO the name galby is searching for wouldn’t be his own name, that wouldn’t give him dominion over the land. It might kill him to hear it. He wants the true name of the ancient language. All those wise ancient dragons would certainly be able help him figure it out. The Ra’zac lived there because it was a crossroads. Finally it said it would tell him that galby had almost found the name. Just my 200 cents

  • Nathanwamsley

    The Rock of Kuthian
    does not yet have a specified location. After some research though I
    think that it is safe to say that the vault of souls is inside the Rock
    of Kuthian and that the Rock of Kuthian is Helgrind for the following
    reasons. 

    1. When
    Eragon corners the final Ra’zac the Ra’zac offers to tell Eragon the
    “name” that Galbatorix has supposedly almost discovered. This name is
    obviously Galbatorix’s  true name. You have to speak your true name into the vault
    of souls to open it so this means that Galbatorix may have some idea
    where the Rock of Kuthian is. But then why would the Ra’zac know he was
    trying to find a name? The answer is probably  that they were sent by Galbatorix
    to guard the Rock of Kuthian and it is located inside Helgrind.
    2. Helgrind is worshiped and considered sacred. This may be
    because of the ancient dragon Eldunarí. This would create a powerful
    legend in the area and may give Helgrind a sort of magic pulse or
    essence.
    3. Helgrind is also a mountain and it would fit the description Rock of Kuthian. That is just another small point.
    4. The Ra’zac’s lair is well hidden enough to be the Rock of
    Kuthian. It can only be reached by something that can fly (dragons). And
    the Ra’zac knew that Galbatorix was looking for a name, the name that
    could open the Vault of Souls located in the Rock of Kuthian.

    • PotionWillow207

      We don’t know that the Rock of Kuthian will open for just any random person who can tell it their true name. We don’t even know that “speak your name…” is referring to true name. Yes, that makes the most sense logically, but that doesn’t mean anything at this point. But Solembum’s instructions were to Eragon alone. ERAGON needs to speak his name to the Rock of Kuthian. That’s doesn’t mean that it’s the case for everyone.

      Personally, I think we as readers are pretty much done with Helgrind. We’ve already had the epic moment there when Eragon and Roran defeated the Ra’zac. While we might get a mention of it, I seriously doubt it will hold another important place in the series.

      • Khankhalil18

        if anyone could open the VOS with there true name,elves would have done it. they instinctively know theirs.

  • Ryu

    I was thinking that the Vault of Souls could have something to do with true names. Since the true name is based on your inner character or essence or soul.  Possibly where all true names are magically recorded.  This would give anyone who has access to it great control over everything around them, since they know everything true name. Including the ancient languages true name and Alagaesia’s

  • Gamefreak1310

     I do not know if this could be possible but what if Brom’s ring Aren is the rock of kuthian and it has the power when it is filled with magic to open a door to the vault of souls

    • guest

      But Eragon simply has to touch that energy with his mind, he wouldn’t have to speak any part of his name-true or otherwise.

      • mike early

        yes but i thought the ring would have magic in it to keep the ring’s true ability secret and the “sealing” magic itself undetectable unless the current real owners’ true name is spoken in the rings presence

        • PotionWillow207

          That seems a little too complicated to be springing on us in the last book. It’s something that we already have a partial answer to, I’m certain of it. It’s gonna be one of those things were we all slap our heads and say, “DUH! Why didn’t I think of that?!?!” And one very smart, very perceptive person is going to be able to say, “I told you so!” LOL!

    • guest

      But Eragon simply has to touch that energy with his mind, he wouldn’t have to speak any part of his name-true or otherwise.

  • The Thinker

    HEY EVERYONE- Lets look at this one logically for a sec. 
    First- Rock of Kuthian. This could be a person, “Rock” meaning either a literal rock, belonging to someone/thing named Kuthian. Or, Rock could be a sort of title. I personally like the dwarf theory related to this. 

    Second- “Speak your name”. This is almost certainly meant to mean his true name. I cannot imagine, in any case, that we would go the whole series w/out learning Eragon’s true name. 

    Third- Vault of Souls. Vault, I would imagine, refers to some kind of holding place. Now, lets move on to SOULS. Souls, plural. So, that can either mean a) Eldunari, or b) the other type of souls. 

    Now, remember that a sorcerer who summons spirits becomes a Shade. Now, they are generally evil. But, lets say that the Vault of Souls allows Eragon to harness the power of spirits without becoming a shade himself. That way, he (with spirit’s power) can become as powerful Galbatorix (who has all those Eldunari). 

    How do you like that? Please reply, I’d like to know what you think of my theory! 

    • Anonymous

      I think the way you broke it down makes a lot of sense. Though one thing to think about is that the readers will never actually learn eragon’s true name, CP said that in the book he will not be writing the actual true names in the book but yeah i think when it is “speak your name” it means his true name.

    • Anonymous

      I think the way you broke it down makes a lot of sense. Though one thing to think about is that the readers will never actually learn eragon’s true name, CP said that in the book he will not be writing the actual true names in the book but yeah i think when it is “speak your name” it means his true name.

    • Anonymous

      I think the way you broke it down makes a lot of sense. Though one thing to think about is that the readers will never actually learn eragon’s true name, CP said that in the book he will not be writing the actual true names in the book but yeah i think when it is “speak your name” it means his true name.

    • Anonymous

      I think the way you broke it down makes a lot of sense. Though one thing to think about is that the readers will never actually learn eragon’s true name, CP said that in the book he will not be writing the actual true names in the book but yeah i think when it is “speak your name” it means his true name.

    • PotionWillow207

      A problem with your Vault of Souls theory: souls and spirits are completely separate ideas/beings.

    • Khankhalil18

      if eragon became a shade, he would be killed by elves or saphira on the spot. Brom called a shade rider an “abomination”

      • PotionWillow207

        You’re right. CP said that if a Rider were to become a Shade his dragon would kill him immediately.

    • Love it why didnt I think of that!??????

  • Deanaarens

    I think the rock of kuthian and the vault of souls is something that has to do with the dwarves (hint, hint ROCK) and the fact that the dwarves hated wild dragons attacking and maybe they killed one and got something and sealed it away awaiting the first dwarvish rider (Eragon!!)

  • Deanaarens

    I think the rock of kuthian and the vault of souls is something that has to do with the dwarves (hint, hint ROCK) and the fact that the dwarves hated wild dragons attacking and maybe they killed one and got something and sealed it away awaiting the first dwarvish rider (Eragon!!)

    • The Thinker

      That theory does make sense…… Rock of Kuthian could even mean some kind of rock-petrified dwarf. Or, maybe instead of it being a single eldunari, it could be the bodies of dragons the dwarfs killed. Or, a cache that Vrael asked them to hide. 

      THERE ARE TO MANY POSSIBILITIES!

    • Whywhywhy

      Yeah, and maybe it has something to do the forest of stone in the dwarven tunnels. Mr. Paolini never really did anything with that

  • klein_christian34

    This isn’t an answer to one of the questions per se. But what if Eragon and Saphira find out how to banish names and then banish Murtagh’s name, releasing him from his oath?

    • Squall Leonhart

      That would release him from his oath, but he’d be worse than useless.

      When the Forsworns Dragons true names were banished, they could no longer do or say anything that would define them, as it would give them a true name.

  • BiDdaumJuNiorR

    Really? VoS being fulled of Eldunaries isn’t a popular theory I think.
    I mean, it would be a: I have more Eldunaries than you! I win, haha!
    How boring!

    • PotionWillow207

      Actually, if you read through the millions of posts and threads on Shurtugal you will find that it is indeed a VERY popular theory. And right now, the fight IS based on who has more eldunari. That’s the problem; Galbatorix and Murgagh are more powerful that Eragon because they have more eldunari that he dogs.

      • PotionWillow207

        “Dogs?!?!” Stupid auto-correct. That should be “does.” LOL!

  • For some reason, I’ve always though that Kuthian was someone who existed in the ancient times, be it a Rider, an elf, a human, a dwarf, or some other species. The Vault of Souls sounded like a place where the presence of the dead existed, but this is contradicted by the fact that in Eldest, Glaedr states that when a physical form is destroyed, so is the soul. Perhaps Eragon will be able to communicate with his mother or Brom, or even Oromis.

    • i think in the kuthian vault of souls is a place where you can bring the dead back to life then eragon can bring all the riders alive including vrael to kill galby

      • PotionWillow207

        That’s too easy. There would be no epic battle at the end, and that is what the whole series had been leading up to.

        • Lalala

          Well, even if it’s too easy, you need a way for Souls to leave the world (:

        • Lalala

          Well, even if it’s too easy, you need a way for Souls to leave the world (:

        • It wouldnt be galby has all the eldunaris and all the powers he is the powerfullest mage in alagaesia

    • Eschwartz

      or so dragons believe since they deny god and the afterlife.

      purely because dragons dont believe in god

  • Emeric

    I might be crazy, I haven’t read the books since Brisingr so I might also be wrong. But suddenly I thougt of Kuthian being a nickname of one of the Forsworns dragon, which is why the name sounds familiar to Oromis and Arya but they can’t tell where they heard of it. This would also explain why people can say the name, because nobody has said anything about a nickname when it comes to The Bannishing of the Names, right?

    • AdiX

      I am quite certain that it is not possible to refer to any of the Forsworn Dragons – be it by their true name, regular name, or potential nicknames.. Their identity was taken away from them.. That is why most of them went mad.

      • Yes they had no identity but what if there souls are in that vault they are just souls without identity but what if this is their chance to finally RIP(I DONT KNOW IF DRAGONS DO THAT) nd they help eragon with some type of advice or something they helped galby they can help defeat galby 

        • PotionWillow207

          How could they do that? The Forsworn’s dragons are basically no one and nothing. How would they communicate anything when they cannot use anything to identify themselves. They can’t even use the terms “I” or “we” or “me” because that would be identifying themselves.

          • they dont have to use those words like: you can defeat galby by …. or saying his weakness or true name

          • PotionWillow207

            It’s not just their names. They cannot say anything that identifies them. They cannot name their likes and dislikes. They cannot say, “I am blue.” They cannot even call themselves dragons. All of that is from “Brisingr” page 206-207. Arya tells Eragon that the Forsworn dragons became ignorant, unthinking creatures. How would they be of any help to Eragon?

          • they dont have to mention themselves they can say phrases like”to help galbatorix you have to do this” or something like that without saying things that mention themselves

          • they dont have to mention themselves they can say phrases like”to help galbatorix you have to do this” or something like that without saying things that mention themselves

    • Khankhalil18

      Arya said that the wyrdfell’s dragons nicknames were banished too

  • Ken Milam

    I say Kuthian was an ancient dragon… and the rock is his eldunari.

  • Tim Weir

    i would like to say, that while yes the vault of souls may be a possible cache of eldunari, it more than likely will not be. I’m sorry but it would be far too cliche for paolini to write it that way. his books sell because while he has core fantasy mechanics like dragons, differing races, and magic. He writes an original storyline. plain and simple. if it really is a cache of
    eldunari i personally will be dissapointed with that option. i expect paolini to be better than that.   
                                                                                                         ~Magnanimous Despair~

    • Stonecutt3r

      I agree it would be way too easy if it were something as simple as a cache of eldunari.  It would be extremely disappointing as somone else mentioned if it came down to “i have more eldunari than you”.  I really hope it refers to something about spirits that are willing to help of their own volition, maybe creating the opposite of a shade or something.

      • PotionWillow207

        Well, do you think the story is disappointing right now? Because right now it IS “I have more eldunari than you.” That’s why Eragon can’t currently defeat Galbatorix and Murtagh.

        Also, since a shade by definition is someone who is possessed and controlled by spirits the opposite of that would be someone who is NOT possessed and controlled by spirits. So Eragon is already the opposite of a shade.

        • Anonymous

          At it’s basest level, its “I have more energy than you”, the eldunari are just the method of obtaining it. So controlling/dealing with spirits would have much the same effect. I doubt Eragon would become possesed by good spirits though, apart from the idea that only evil ones would want to there is the fact that it is also said that a being with multiple spirits within them would be an abomination.

          • PotionWillow207

            As far as I can tell from interviews and such, there is no good v. bad distinction when it comes to spirits. They are simply semi-sentient balls of energy. Shades become possessed because the spirits break a person’s control over them and possess them in revenge. It has nothing to do with a spirit being good or evil.

      • Dragonclan

        Oromis said only evil spirits would inhabit a body

    • Stonecutt3r

      I agree it would be way too easy if it were something as simple as a cache of eldunari.  It would be extremely disappointing as somone else mentioned if it came down to “i have more eldunari than you”.  I really hope it refers to something about spirits that are willing to help of their own volition, maybe creating the opposite of a shade or something.

    • PotionWillow207

      There’s no such thing as an original story. Sorry.

  • Anonymous

    This will probably seem a bit outlandish but it occurred to me while reading this post; What if the Vault of Souls is in fact a resting place of spirits, and the Rock of Kuthian is named such after a guardian that once dwelt there? This stems from the fact that spirits were included in Brisingr, and shown to be beings of immense and unknowable. What better ally when standing against Galbatorix?  The reason the elves half-remember the name Kuthian is that it is a guardian (dragon or otherwise) so ancient that it is beyond memory, possibly long-dead. Speaking Eragon’s name would reffer to voicing his true name, allowing the spirits to know his intentions and that he was worthy of entrance.

    • PotionWillow207

      The problem with that is that it’s called the Vault of Souls, and souls and spirits are separate ideas/beings.

      • Anonymous

        I could be wrong but my understanding of that is that spirits are the equivalent of eldunari to the other races, meaning “soul” could reffer to either.

      • Anonymous

        I could be wrong but my understanding of that is that spirits are the equivalent of eldunari to the other races, meaning “soul” could reffer to either.

        • PotionWillow207

          The eldunari contain the consciousness, the soul, of the dragon. A spirit actually a race within Alagaesia consisting of a semi-sentient ball of energy. It is it’s own being, however.

  • Aniruddha Mysore

    I think the Rock of Kuthian is one of the things the dragons said in the bonding made by elves and dragons after the first Eragon found a dragon and became a dragon rider. Thats why both Arya and Oromis can just recognise the name but cant remember it.

    It might be a hoarde of eldunarii or something very powerful. Eragon must probably say his true name to the rock.

  • guest

    My comment before about the vault being the spirits’ home comes from the fact that I’ve noticed that Paolini has said more will be revealed about spirits. Also he has added several encounters with spirits/shades to even give Arya the name ‘Shadeslayer’ and think of how impressed the spirits in Brisingr Chapter 13 Shadows of the Past, pages 210-213 were that Eragon had freed the spirits that had been trapped in Durza. So I think that Eragon will say his full name to the RoK which I believe is at the heart of the Beor mountains and open the vault of ‘spirits’ who will give him the wisdom of how to seperate Galbatorix from the eldunarya. During the journey to the vault he will learn enough about himself to discover his true name.  

  • guest

    I think it has something with the homeland of the elvs because both oromis and aray rememberd the name but coulden´t remember where from

  • Miloš Ivaniš

    I think it’s ancient dragon – guardian.

  • Mashcraft83

    Maybe the Rock of Kuthian is the Eldunari of the 1st Dragon who’s rider was the 1st Eragon. and thats why he must use his name, his mother did insist on that name.

    I think they said the name of the dragon was unknown or forgotten, also Oromis mentioned that all Eldunari were well accounted for.

    The Vault of Souls could be a Cache of Eldunari hidden by the first riders, before any records were kept. Maybe some wise rider caught a glimpse of this future and prepared for it.

    • starcraft

      i agree as it says the first eragons dragons name cannot be expressed in any language so it could be right

      • Arya<3

        No the first dragons name was Bid’uam. The dragon that cannot be expressed in any language is the dragon who formed  the pact with Queen Tarmunora. Two distinct dragons.

    • I like that! And Selena did have her fortune told by Angela maybe before Eragon wasnt even born

    • PotionWillow207

      The first Eragon’s dragon was called Bid’daum.

  • Dusk610

    The rock of kuthian could be a dragons eldunari but an enormous dragons one,didnt brom say in the first book that some of the older dragons were the size of small hills? and because it is so big the vault of soulsis inside of it. im very tired so if this seems stupid its not my fault 🙂

  • eebi

    I guess out of the three theories above, my favorite and the one that makes the most sense is the secret cache of Eldunari. However, in Brisingr, Oromis (or Glaedr, not sure who) tells Eragon and Saphira that the wild dragons and the riders’ dragons’ Eldunari were stored on Vroengard because the wild dragons gave theirs to the Riders for safekeeping. Then Galbatorix defeated the Riders and took all those Eldunari for himself. So it does seem kind of improbable for there to be ANOTHER big store of Eldunari.
    I did see an idea that I liked very much in the comments. Someone said the Vault of Souls could be the home of the spirits. Though not necessarily the home, I do think that the spirits could play some part in this, possible helping Eragon voluntarily because he and Arya have killed two Shades together.
    And to all the people who are talking about the Rock of Kuthian being Shruikan’s or a Forsworn dragon’s Eldunari, you’re forgetting about the Vault of Souls. Speaking your name to an Eldunari might help it recognize/decide to help you, but unless it was in some way linked to many other Eldunari, I don’t see how you would open the Vault of Souls.
    On the whole, secret cache of Eldunari would be my guess. Comment if you agree/ disagree/want to add to what I said!

  • Lil Uhura

    Teirm, I believe.  And yes, why WOULD she travel so far?

  • Amaris

    hah, I was vote 1,001 😀 

    also, I love the theory that it’s a “safehouse” for Eldunari. I also really liked the still from FMA 🙂

  • A fool

    I don’t think that the Rock of Kuthian is any of the mentioned options but I can’t think of any thing that it could be; in short I think Christopher will throw us a curve ball none of us were expecting.

  • A fool

    I don’t think that the Rock of Kuthian is any of the mentioned options but I can’t think of any thing that it could be; in short I think Christopher will throw us a curve ball none of us were expecting.

  • A fool

    I don’t think that the Rock of Kuthian is any of the mentioned options but I can’t think of any thing that it could be; in short I think Christopher will throw us a curve ball none of us were expecting.

  • A fool

    I don’t think that the Rock of Kuthian is any of the mentioned options but I can’t think of any thing that it could be; in short I think Christopher will throw us a curve ball none of us were expecting.

  • internet troll

    Kuthian could be the first eragons dragons true name and he could be protecting the first eragons resting place?? maby he could have a simalr true name as eragon?

    • Mcase19

      no paolini said he wasnt revealing any true names. good theory though

      • yeah I agree with Mcase19 because Eragon did find sloan’s true names and he didnt even mention what it was

  • Bharadwaj

    I think it is a place somewhere in Alagaesia . CP has mentioned so many places that can likely be a place where the Rock of Kuthian is , from Du Fells Nargaroth to Vroengard  .

    I think the Information will be known to Eragon from the book that Jeod gave him . There was no reason to give Eragon a book since he never really has that much time to sit in leisure and read. So I think Domir Wyrda (cant recall the name properly at the moment) holds the key .

    • Tenna Wan

       On the subject of Jeod,I think he’s a member of the religion that the author of Eragon’s book is.If this is confusing I can’t hardly remeber any names right now.

      • Jackal

        The book is ‘Domina abr Wyrda’, the Dominance of Fate, by Heslant the monk, a member of the Arcacea, who believe all knowledge is sacred. That is a good theory, he does have lots of books and stuff, and he definietly seems to like them!!!

        • Jackal

          Mind you, by that reckoning I am very likely to be a member too!

        • I also have the Guide to Alagaesia with me right now it was said that anyone carrying that book would be hanged by Galby and  the book would be burnt dang Galby hates knowledge

      • Dragonclanleader

        its called the arcaena. they worship all forms of knowledge

  • anonymus

    The Rock of Kuthian could refer to one of the forsworns dragons eldunari. Kuthians rock would be the Kuthians eldunari. Why Kuthian would help him I dont know but this seems the most plausible to me

  • anonymus

    The Rock of Kuthian could refer to one of the forsworns dragons eldunari. Kuthians rock would be the Kuthians eldunari. Why Kuthian would help him I dont know but this seems the most plausible to me

  • anonymus

    The Rock of Kuthian could refer to one of the forsworns dragons eldunari. Kuthians rock would be the Kuthians eldunari. Why Kuthian would help him I dont know but this seems the most plausible to me

  • anonymus

    The Rock of Kuthian could refer to one of the forsworns dragons eldunari. Kuthians rock would be the Kuthians eldunari. Why Kuthian would help him I dont know but this seems the most plausible to me

    • troll

      lol i beat you to it look down one post

      • JackDaniels

        lol a whole bunch of people beat you to it. look back at all the posts before you

    • Bharadwaj

      If that is so , no one would be able to remember the name Kuthian or be able to speak it . So I dont think it is related to the Forsworn

      • Anonymous

        yeah how could solembum have known the name?

        • Anonymous

          It’s possible that the dragons left werecats out of the spell to forget the Forsworn dragons names… Just like how dwarves were left out to become dragon riders. Why Eragon remembers the name Kuthian I have no idea… maybe Solembum did some magic???

          • Anonymous

            i dont think that is how it worked. they didnt make a spell that said “all humans, dragons, dwarfs, and elfs will forget these name” they just totally banished the names from the minds of all sentient beings in alagaesia and made it so they were soon forgotten, so it wouldnt have been plausible that werecats were left out of the spell

          • Anonymous

            That’s true. I just feel like this is the only thing that makes sense. The spell the dragons used so that the Forsworn’s dragons names were forgotten was described as being huge and taking an unbelievable amount on energy. It’s not like the dragons did this spell a second time so that people wouldn’t remember the Vault of Kuthian, especially considering they were in the middle of a war against Galbatorix. And I’d be surprised if Galbatorix had the power to do the spell and he is the most powerful being in Alagaesia right now. 

          • Anonymous

            yeah that makes sense but maybe it was done by someone different than the dragons, it might not have taken as much energy as it took for the “Banishing of the Names” because it was only done on one thing. Idk. it could just be something similar or maybe the fact that arya and oromis cant remember it have nothing to do with it and we r just speculating on something that has no pertinence.

          • Anonymous

            Good point… I just wish book four would come out now so we could read it and find out xD
            If it just was Arya and Oromis forgetting the name I would laugh so hard! 🙂

          • Anonymous

            agree with the spell thing. But notice that werecats are a special race. They are told to be a race which maintains a whole different relationship with the dragons. In fact, dragons like the idea of having a werecat as a companion. For me, werecats are just as powerful as  dragons. They are creatures of magic as well, therefore I don’t think that they have forgotten such things. they’re naturally bonded to magic and its skills (i mean the AL) so that nothing could be hidden from them. How are they able to make predictions, such as the one Solembum made to Eragon? For me it just seems that they are more related to the ancient language and to the pure a true magic even more than the elves and perhaps even more than the dragons.  

          • Anonymous

            Good point 🙂

          • Anonymous

            you know I didnt think about that. that is a really good point.

          • PotionWillow207

            Solembum didn’t make a prediction to Eragon. He gave him advice.

          • Anonymous

            ah yeah. i’m sorry for that =s 

          • Anonymous

            Sorry had to do two post ran out of room :3

            So if the Galbatorix didn’t do a spell to make people forget the Rock of Kuthian (I just noticed I said “Vault of Kuthian above sorry xD) and the dragons didn’t do the spell to hide it while they were alive and they were the only ones strong enough to do it, the only other possible explanation is that there is A- Another super strong magic wielding person in Alagaesia who for whatever reason isn’t fight against Galbatorix or the Varden or B- Kuthian was somehow forgotten in Du Namar Aurboda.

            Sorry if that didn’t make sense :S

          • PotionWillow207

            It doesn’t matter. The Banishing of the Names stripped the Forsworn dragons of ANYTHING that could be used to identify them. They could even say, “My favorite color is…” or call themselves dragons. Since it is called the Rock of Kuthian, that means that it is a rock belonging to or coming from Kuthian. That would identify someone or something named Kuthian. The Banishing of the Names does not allow this, hence the Rock of Kuthian cannot have anything to do with a Forsworn dragon.

            So this theory cannot be the only option that makes sense because it does not make sense.

          • PotionWillow207

            Sorry, “couldN’T” even say…”

      • Anonymous

        yeah how could solembum have known the name?

    • Mojoman

      I agree that the Rock of Kuthian refers to one of the forsworns dragons’ eldunari, which is guarding Galbatorix’s horde of eldunari (Vault of Souls).  I think that the elves recognize the name but cannot remember it due to the banishing of the dragons name’s.  The reason that Solembum and Eragon can remember and are able to speak the name Kuthian is that it is being used to refer to an eldunari and not the dragon to whom it belonged. When the dragons of the forsworn had their names banished, it did not mean that the name of the dragon no longer exists, it means that you could no longer identify the dragon by its name.  In other words, if one of the dragons was name “Peter”, having the name banished would not render people incapable of saying or remembering the name Peter in reference to other people or objects, just as it refers to the dragon in question.  Since the eldunari, is not the dragon (though it contains the soul of a dragon) you could refer to it without forgetting the name. ie/ Kuthian may be the name of the dragon (which no one can remember), but the rock of Kuthian is the name of an eldunari.  This I believe is the twist Christopher is planning.

    • Mojoman

      I agree that the Rock of Kuthian refers to one of the forsworns dragons’ eldunari, which is guarding Galbatorix’s horde of eldunari (Vault of Souls).  I think that the elves recognize the name but cannot remember it due to the banishing of the dragons name’s.  The reason that Solembum and Eragon can remember and are able to speak the name Kuthian is that it is being used to refer to an eldunari and not the dragon to whom it belonged. When the dragons of the forsworn had their names banished, it did not mean that the name of the dragon no longer exists, it means that you could no longer identify the dragon by its name.  In other words, if one of the dragons was name “Peter”, having the name banished would not render people incapable of saying or remembering the name Peter in reference to other people or objects, just as it refers to the dragon in question.  Since the eldunari, is not the dragon (though it contains the soul of a dragon) you could refer to it without forgetting the name. ie/ Kuthian may be the name of the dragon (which no one can remember), but the rock of Kuthian is the name of an eldunari.  This I believe is the twist Christopher is planning.

      • PotionWillow207

        If Kuthian was a Forsworn dragon then no one would be able to say Kuthian. Did everyone with this theory miss the part about the whole Banishing of the Names?

  • troll

    my idea is kuthian is a forsworns dragon, mabye the most powerful forsworn dragon and someone turned him to stone somewhere without anyone else knowing
    so if eragon says his name to it
    it will come to life? and help him?
    OR
    IT IS AN ELDUNARI OF A DRAGON WHO WAS SO HUGE
    that his eldunari is described  as the rock of(dragons name) kuthian

    • PotionWillow207

      Kuthian CANNOT be a Forsworn dragon. Have all these people with this theory not read the section on the Banishing of the Names?!? It blows my mind. Let’s recap:

      From “Brisingr,” page 206-207:

      “[They erased] True names, birth names, nicknames, family names, titles. Everything. And as a result, the thirteen were reduced to little more than animals. No longer could they say, ‘I like this’ or ‘I dislike that’ or ‘I have green scales,’ for to say that would be to name themselves. They could not even call themselves dragons. Word by word, the spell obliterated everything that defined them as thinking creatures, and the Forsworn had no choice but to watch in silent misery as their dragons descended into complete ignorance.”

      So if Kuthian were a Forsworn dragon, then no one would be able to say “Rock of Kuthian” because it would defy the rules of the Banishing of the Names. So unless CP is going to break his own rules, this theory is impossible.

  • Britishgeezer

    What if, by learning the true name of the ancient language you can somehow rewrite the laws of magic, and therefore be able to do whatever you want, effectively becoming god, I know it wouldent happen but it would be cool. Seriously though, the name of the ancient language definitely has a role in book 4, haven’t a clue on what scale though. The 7 seven words that brim told dragon before he died could be it, hence the warning to only use it in a great time of need.

    Comment please 🙂

    • Anonymous

      agree. it’d make of one the same as god (at least in those lands where magic rules). 
      but i don’t think the 7 seven words given to Eragon by Brom are actually related to it. i dunno, brom was wise and all but it would take a life to discover such powerful name (perhaps even more than a life). maybe it’s impossible to find and that’s what tenga is looking for (and for this he has gone insane rs) 

      • Anonymous

        and also. if brom knew the name of the ancient language (giving him almost unlimited power) why wouldnt he have just gone and ended the war and killed galbatorix?

      • Anonymous

        and also. if brom knew the name of the ancient language (giving him almost unlimited power) why wouldnt he have just gone and ended the war and killed galbatorix?

      • Fukr

        A human life. Brom was immortal

        • Anonymous

          yeah that’s what i’m saying. even being immortal. for me there’s just no way of finding it. it’d be almost the same as encountering the source of all magic. galby is immortal as well, he has lived a lot, yet i’m sure he does not have such knowledge. 

    • George

      Maybe that is what galbatorix is trying to find, because it says in brisingr that he spent like 40 years on the heart of hearts trying to break the dragons to let him use their power then when he was done he tried to get the empire into a better state then he just went back to uru baen until the present day, comment if you agree or disagree

      • Tristan

        I think so, as in brisingr, the ra’zac tell Eragon that Galbatorix has almost found ‘the name’. 

      • PotionWillow207

        Since you didn’t use any punctuation, your thoughts are all jumbled, and I have no idea what you are talking about.

    • Jackal

      Who is brim?

      • Xemnas

        that lunkhead over there meant Brom

    • PotionWillow207

      But if you could use the true name of the ancient language to control the language (and we know that you could), and if Brom also knew the true name of the ancient language, then why wouldn’t he have already used that knowledge to defeat Galbatorix. If your idea is correct, then CP will have just wasted countless hours on a pointless story.

  • viagra2.0

    its a little out there but so are most of the theories out there. what if when vrael went to utgard to gather his strength there was a “vault” of eldunari there? then he might have refrained from using the eldunari if he felt he could not kill galby (because he hesitated before he might not trust himself) and knowing there were other riders and eggs who could create a new generation of riders, he left the role of killing galby for someone else. Just somethin i came up with 3 seconds ago

  • Guest

    uuugh i want the book nowww. im impatient, although it seems as though it was yesterday that we didnt even have a release date.

  • guest

    I think the vault of souls is the home of the spirits and that Eragon will speak his name ‘shadeslayer’. The spirits will allow him entry due to the fact that he freed some of them from fleshly bonds. They will grant him the knowledge of how to seperate the king from his eldunarya.

    • I think the vault of Souls is the souls of dead dragons that Galby and the forsworn had killed and they will somehow help eragon in defeating Galby

    • eebi

      Interesting theory. In Brisingr the spirits were definitely grateful when Arya told them about Eragon slaying Durza. And now they have killed two Shades. It’s definitely possible that the spirits somehow help him. Also, if the Vault is literally a vault and the spirits were imprisoned in it, they’d be really happy with Eragon for setting them free by opening it.

      • PotionWillow207

        Spirits and souls are not the same thing. Either it’s a vault of souls or it’s a vault of spirits. Since it’s called Vault of Souls I think I’ll go with the first option.

  • bear

    what if the rock of kuthian is outside of alageasia? Let’s say it”s in the land the elves originally came frome and for some reason the history of their race sticks in their memories for generations.. in that case eragon would leave alageasia with another dragon and rider when all seemed lost (can’t think of a way to destroy galby) to search for help. There they find the rock of kuthian and with that the vault of souls. (sounded a lot better in my head tbh)

    Or why doesn’t he ask solebum (or one of the other wherecats)? Or maybe it’s a name in the wherecat language for something.

    • I wonder if the Vault of Souls is in the Hadarac Desert at the place called Du Fells Nangoroth in the guide to alagaesia

    • PotionWillow207

      I doubt asking Solembum would do any good. If Solembum was just going to give Eragon the answer then why didn’t he do that in the first place?

  • Valenthris

    Why did Eragon never ask the DWARVES, the people who know more about rocks than any other race, about the Rock of Kuthian? They’ve been there forever, and still no one seems to ask them about important things. Besides, Kuthian strikes me as a Dwarven name anyways. As to what’s inside, I have no clue. But he needs to ask the dwarves!

    • VERY GOOOD THINKING

  • Knightess

    it’s the heart of Galbatorix’s dragon (apparently his name slipped out of my mind LOL)

    • Imaronjongirl

      Shruikan, lol.

      • Rubydragon

        OOh, maybe Shruikan’s real name before Galby was Kuthian. That would be cool.

        • PotionWillow207

          I believe CP said in an interview that Shruiken hadn’t been named before Galbatorix stole him. He was too young.

    • Jackal

      His first dragon was Jarnuvosk.

  • NicoleC.

    Brom seemed to imply all Eldunari were accounted for…but he also implied that there was a possibility of wild dragons still in hiding somewhere. I think it’s where the wild dragons went to hide.

  • Kait

    It’s been ages since I read the books so I might get some things wrong here. Didn’t the Grey Folk create the ancient language (I think) Maybe the souls of the Grey Folk are trapped in the Vault of Souls.

    • no one created teh ancient language it was always spoken but the elves eventually forgot some words and it remained a secret language as the years went by

      • B Kress

        but the gray people created the ties from the ancient language to magic

      • B Kress

        but the gray people created the ties from the ancient language to magic

      • B Kress

        but the gray people created the ties from the ancient language to magic

      • B Kress

        but the gray people created the ties from the ancient language to magic

    • Anonymous

      your kinda right. they didnt make the language they just gave it the power to speak the true nature of things, giving it the properties it has today. ur theory is interesting

    • JaKL9

      YOU ARE RIGHT!! OROMIS SAID THE GREY FOLK FADED!! WHAT IF THEEY SLOWLY FLED TO THE VOS?!

      • PotionWillow207

        But how would the Grey Folk be a help to Eragon? Even if they were alive they can’t do magic anymore.

        • just because they can’t do magic doesn’t mean they can’t give Eragon some advice. They can tell Eragon what to do how to defeat Galbattorix,etc.

  • Hinat4eto

    In regard to what people have been discussing, the Rock of Kuthian could be like the Menoa tree; somebody– let’s just say a very old dragon for now– used their occasional burst of magic to mold themselves with a rock (big rock), and is now the guardian of the vault of souls. When Eragon speaks his name to it, it could go into his mind and show him the way. This is just what I think could happen. ^_^

  • ilvos01

    I’m thinking the floating crystal on one of the islands, either Sharktooth or Vroengard, I forget which. It’s on one of those, and it’s “naturally occurring magic”. So, yah.

    • Kevin5101997

      The island’s Beirland.

    • I WAS THINKING THAT OR MAYBE IN ONE OF THE CAVES NEAR BOAR’S EYE

    • Jackal

      The floating crystal on the island of Eoam?

  • After reading through the comments, and the post itself, I’ve come to the conclusion that the Rock of Kuthian is the Gate to the Vault of Souls, and that Eragon will need his true name to open it. (Which I believe will translate to something like “The First” or “One who reclaims”, based on the fact that his namesake was the original dragonrider, and that he carries on the Dragon Rider legacy.) As to what the Vault contains; the jury is still out on that one, though I like the idea that its a collection of Eldunari, or perhaps the Eragon’s dragon’s Eldunari.

    • Anonymous

      you mean Eragon First’s dragon’s eldunari, right?
      this theory has been discussed in previous articles, i sort of think it’s possible, but unlikely, mainly cos the dragon is too old. that’d be great though. such ancient dragon would have an incredible knowledge. 

      •  It’s merely my theory. And to answer your concerns, I thought it was my understanding that Eldunari were forever lasting, unless physically destroyed by someone else. Please, someone, do correct me if I’m wrong.

    • Anonymous

      honestly the theory that the vault of souls has Bid’Duams Eldunari is probably my favorite. though about eragons true name, we will never know what it is because CP said he will never directly say any true names in the book

    • Lil Uhura

      Or how about “the Cleansing Fire” (Brisingr) for Eragon’s truename?  Fire is an integral part of a healthy forest as it clears away deadwood (the Empire) and allows for new plant growth to flourish and ultimately rejuvenate the forest ecosystem (the Varden, hah, and all of their supporters).

    • PotionWillow207

      Interesting idea, but it doesn’t really matter what Eragon’s true name is. CP said he will never reveal any character’s true name.

  • Raquel Ribeiro

    I think VoS is in Utgard. In the first book there is a little ‘story’ about the fall of the riders. My book is in portuguese so I can’t really paraphrasing but it’s in the final paragrahps of chapter 4. It begins with “Only Vrael”. I will try to translate. It’s something like this:

    Only Vrael, rider’s lider, could resist Galbatorix and the Forsworn. Old and wise, HE FOUGHT TO SAVE WHAT HE COULD AND AVOID THAT THE REMAINING DRAGONS FALL IN THE HANDS OF THEIR ENEMY. In the last battle, in front of the gates of Doru Areaba, Vrael defeat Galbatorix but hesitated (?) in the final hit. (….) SEVERELY INJURED, VRAEL FLIGHT TO THE MONTAING UTGARD, WHERE HE HOPED TO RECOVER HIS STRENGHT.

    (I’m sorry the english)

    • Raquel Ribeiro

      what about an inheritance of the first riders (Eragon, the first)?

  • weetniks

    i cant believe that the vault of souls – in my idea a cache of eldunari – would be on vrungard (spellig) or in the hadarac dessert. those are 2 places that galbatorix would know of and have visited. Also, Oromis was looking for lost eldunari, wouldnt vorungard and the hadarac dessert be the first place he would have looked?? If the vault of souls is a hidden vault of eldunarya it would be somewhere the dragonriders wouldnt know about. oromis would have known as elder rider.
    my idea is that kuthian was a forsworn dragon with a bad consions. he/she followed his rider out of love for the rider. but couldnt stand that eldunari were being used for murdering dragons. so the dragon hid eldunarya.

    • Raquel Ribeiro

      without name they have no conscious, I think.

      • weetniks

        what if it happend before the bannishing of names.

        • Raquel Ribeiro

          It makes more sense. But if Kuthian was the name of the dragon even now they couldn’t remeber that name. I mean, Eragon couldn’t remember that name over the books. Makes sense?

          • Matt

            If Kuthian is the name of one of the forsworn dragons then maybe the reason that Eragon can remember it is that he doesn’t know that it is the name of a forsworn dragon. You can’t forget something that you don’t know. Just a thought.

          • Matt

            If Kuthian is the name of one of the forsworn dragons then maybe the reason that Eragon can remember it is that he doesn’t know that it is the name of a forsworn dragon. You can’t forget something that you don’t know. Just a thought.

          • Anonymous

            i dont think that is how it works

          • Matt

            Why not?

          • Anonymous

            because they banished the actual names of the dragons and anyone who knew them would soon forget so even if he didnt know it was one of the forsworns dragons names he would still forget the name. also if it was one of the forsworns dragons names would oromis have recognized it? idk just a thought. u could be right.

          • Anonymous

            because they banished the actual names of the dragons and anyone who knew them would soon forget so even if he didnt know it was one of the forsworns dragons names he would still forget the name. also if it was one of the forsworns dragons names would oromis have recognized it? idk just a thought. u could be right.

          • Anonymous

            because they banished the actual names of the dragons and anyone who knew them would soon forget so even if he didnt know it was one of the forsworns dragons names he would still forget the name. also if it was one of the forsworns dragons names would oromis have recognized it? idk just a thought. u could be right.

          • PotionWillow207

            Because that’s what it says in the books. Go back and read them. It’s seems a lot of people need to do that. The Forsworn dragons were stripped of EVERY identifying feature in their minds, in others’ minds, in writing. You can’t speak them, you can’t read them, you can’t think of them.

          • Matt

            Why not?

          • Matt

            Why not?

    • OK AS IF YOU WERE SAYING IT WOULD BE PLACES GALBY WOULD VISIT WHYOT THE SPINE!?
      1/2 HIS ARMY DISAPPEARED IN THERE RIGHT

  • asdfghjkl

    Maybe Kuthian is an ancient Rider, and the Rock of Kuthian is his dragon, the Vault of Souls contains previously undiscovered Elundari and a dragon egg attuned to Arya

    • PotionWillow207

      So it’s a dragon named Rock? I don’t think a dragon would approve of being named after rocks.

  • Orayelle

    Though I don’t think it’s likely, I’ve frequently considered the possibility of the Vault of Souls being a connection to where deceased souls dwell – and the possibility of having a character come back to life…aka, Brom. It’s not like his body’s decomposing, thanks to Saphira, and he’s becoming increasingly important to the series.
    I really kinda hope that doesn’t happen, though.

    • EARLIER IN AROUND APRIL OF THIS YEAR BEFORE THEY ANNOUNCED THE TITLE OF ERAGON BOOK 4 THEY SAID ERAGON MIGHT BRING BROM BACK TO LIFE

      • Orayelle

        Who said that?

      • Orayelle

        Who said that?

        • i read it in one of the posts on shurtugal.com

      • Orayelle

        Who said that?

    • Anonymous

      if I could choose one person to bring back to life it would definitely not be brom. probably vrael or something

      • Orayelle

        Yeah but my point was that to bring someone like Vrael back they’d need Vrael’s body, which they don’t have whereas they do have Brom’s.

        • Anonymous

          yeah that makes sense

      • Orayelle

        Yeah but my point was that to bring someone like Vrael back they’d need Vrael’s body, which they don’t have whereas they do have Brom’s.

  • Imaronjongirl

    I don’t have any facts to back my opinion up, but I believe the Rock of Kuthian is the mysterious floating crystal of Eoam. It is essentially a gem (rock) that stores wild magic. Wild magic is said to be the most powerful, albeit dangerous form of energy in Alagaesia. It was mentioned by both Arya and Oromis in passing and I can’t see why Paolini would mention that without it tying into the story in some way. I don’t think it will turn out to be a cache of lost Eldunari. Why would so many dragons elect to have themselves locked forever in a cave with no one to communicate with and no one to crush their Eldunari if they finally decide to cross over? What would be the purpose? Unless they all knew that Eragon would one day need them (which I highly doubt). Rather, I think it will be, literally, a vault of souls (spirits). They must be stored somewhere. If all the spirits in Alagaesia constantly traversed the land, people would always be encountering spirits – which they don’t – which leads me to believe they “hang out” somewhere. In Brisngr, as Arya and Eragon are making their way through the empire, they encounter “good” spirits. Eragon notes that they sweep away his defenses like leaves in a storm. Obviously they have great power. The only problem is, they have no incentive to use it to help Eragon. Perhaps the fact that Eragon freed the spirits in Durza would be enough motivation, but I doubt it.

    Sorry for the length. I wish I could hibernate till November, but alas, I cannot. 

    • Orayelle

      Haha, I just love the last hibernation comment – I often feel the same way.
      As for the rest of it, I like it’s originality and that there are no obvious flaws even if you say you don’t have much supporting the idea. I don’t seem to see much evidence supporting ANYONE’S ideas! It seems to me that we’re all just trying to come up with theories that have no huge problems 🙂
      I definitely agree that it doesn’t make much sense for a bunch of dragons to WANT to sit around in some closed vault for centuries!

      • I totally agree with you but what if the dragons are FORCED to sit around in some closed vault for centuries?? But I really love the idea

        • Anonymous

          yeah but then they would be pretty mad at a dragon rider if it was the dragon riders who put them there.

          • i feel aorry for those dragons they been through alot ;O

        • Anonymous

          yeah but then they would be pretty mad at a dragon rider if it was the dragon riders who put them there.

        • Anonymous

          yeah but then they would be pretty mad at a dragon rider if it was the dragon riders who put them there.

  • Adilas73

    I think Igualda Falls is the vault of souls because, Ismira  (Sloans wife) fell from them, how is this relevent you may think but Angela said to Eragon that only few had had there future read and one was a woman, could this woman have been Ismira and she was looking for the Vault of souls and found the rock of Kuthian spoke her name and she plunged into Igualda Falls/the Vault of souls.
    Please comment 🙂

    • Eldarion

      Yeah, but the woman who had her fortune told by Angela before Eragon was SELENA, Angela explicitly says so while Eragon’s in Teirm.

    • Esmeraldi

      the woman was Selena “_”

    • Why would she travel all the way to GIL’EAD (I THINK it was in gilead)

    • PotionWillow207

      It’s already been established that the woman who had her fortune told by Angela was Eragon’s mother. Also, the information Eragon received about the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls were not part of his prophecy. They were instructions given to him by Solembum separate from his prophecy.

    • PotionWillow207

      It’s already been established that the woman who had her fortune told by Angela was Eragon’s mother. Also, the information Eragon received about the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls were not part of his prophecy. They were instructions given to him by Solembum separate from his prophecy.

  • Elphiebelphie

    Remember when Orik said that there was a true name to the Beor mountains in Eldest? One that only the Dwarves knew? Maybe that name is . . . KUTHIAN!!!!!!!! Just a guess. It would be kind of funny to see Orik freak out over how Eragon, Saphira, and Arya know the true name of the mountains . . . heh heh heh. And Orik was never told the prophecy. But then, how do you speak your name to a mountain range? See? Pros and cons.

    • Raquel Ribeiro

      “It would be kind of funny to see Orik freak out over how Eragon, Saphira, and Arya know the true name of the mountains”

      OMG that would be awesome, I’m laughing really hard only imagine

    • Anonymous

      yes! man i’ve just read that (for this week’s podcast) and it hadn’t popped up into my mind! and that’s so fitting! the most incredible thing is that almost everyone reckons Kuthian as a dwarven name. and Eragon didn’t ask to any dwarf till this moment in the series about the name (not that I can remember at least). this is so fitting! 
      quote:

      “Forest wolves big enough to prey on a Nagra and nimble enough to
      catch Feldûnost. Cave bears, which we call Urzhadn and the elves call
      Beorn and for which they dubbed these peaks, though we do not call
      them such ourselves. The mountains’ name is a secret that we share with
      no race. And—”


      you need to point this out to Mike and the guys, ok? send them via email. also, the beors are quite mysterious, there are creatures unknown by most races (such as the ones in the quote) i agree it’d difficult saying your name to a giant rock to open a vault, but again, we know that true names come from something, and sometimes refer to something. this said, Kuthian could be something living in the Beor mountains that is so important it turned out to be the true name of the peaks. therefore, eragon must find it and talk his name to open the VoS. 

      • Anonymous

        with all that said, we could mix it with one of the most popular theories which fans claim to be the truth.
        Kuthian could be a “dragon”, hidden in the Beors and so old that it became part of the mountains, still as rock (rock of Kuthian), but alive despite everything. 
        and why don’t the dwarves share this with the other races? probably cos they’d be afraid of it. we need to consider that the dwarves are quite reserved, if this is true, therefore they must venerate it even more than Isidar Mithrim, and that’d be the reason of not sharing such secret. also, they’d fear it for becoming known by Galby, or even the elves. could it be possible? could kuthian be really a dragon hidden in those ancient mountains? chris has stated that there’s no more riders (some lots think that it includes a dragon as well, it’d be implicit, indeed. however, Kuthian wouldn’t actually be a dragon, according to what i said.) 

      • PotionWillow207

        But both Arya and Oromis recognize the name when Eragon asks them about it. If that were the true name, but no one but the dwarves know the true name, then how do Arya and Oromis know it?

        • Anonymous

          as i said, Kuthian could be something living in the Beors. For what concerns to the elves, it could be that they recognize the name of this being living in the mountains, not as the true name of the peaks. 

      • PotionWillow207

        But both Arya and Oromis recognize the name when Eragon asks them about it. If that were the true name, but no one but the dwarves know the true name, then how do Arya and Oromis know it?

  • Lightshade

    I think that Eragon should ask Angela about Kuthian to see what she says.  Oromis said that if Angela is who he thinks she is she’s visited Ellesmera under a different name.  Maybe Angela having a different name (that wasn’t mentioned by the way) is related to why Arya and Oromis can’t remember where they’ve heard Kuthian before, and why Solembum stays with her.

  • Anonymous

    Well, it’s almost a year and a half that I’m studying the 3 books and I always thought that The Vault Of Souls was a place where a lot of Eldunari’s are kept from “bad people”. 
    That only, “The One” (Eragon) could find it. 
    An other of my theories is that The Vault Of Souls is where we can find the true name of magic. What could make Eragon the most powerful magician.

    • asdfghjkl

      Thats a great theory, but who or what is the Rock of Kuthian?

    • I think the vault of souls is somewhere the dragons had died during galbys special war of monarchy

  • Renegado

    I think that the “speak your name to open” part of the prophecy is being forgotten.  This would imply that the Rock of Kuthian is the gateway too the Vault of Souls.  Another thing I think is that Eragon has to speak his true name instead, and must therefore find his true name before this can happen in the 4th book

    • Jheffernan

      I think you are on the right track, although I disagree about Eragon needing to speak his true name. I makes more sense to me that it would be the name *Eragon*, because that is the same name as the first rider, and whoever locked the Vault in the first place would not have known the new Eragon’s true name. So it seems more likely that he locked it with his own name, and that’s how our Eragon will open it.

    • lets just hope galby doesnt scry him and take eragons true name from his mind…

  • Rofl Clopter

    This is just a theory of what we already know this is useless stuff

  • The Thinker

    I don’t get why everyone insists that Kuthian is a dragon……. all of them are supposed to be dead except for the ones we know of. I think i heard CP say somewhere that there were no more hidden riders/dragons.

    • Peter Aamand Andersen

      exept very old dragon, which is so old that they are like the mona tree. Ex: a stone dragon. Sorry bad enlish 🙂

    • Matt

      He actually said in an interview that there were no more hidden Riders. He didn’t say anything about dragons.

      • The Thinker

        you know, youre right! do you know the link to that interview?

  • Crystal

    A few weeks back, I came up with the idea that possibly Brom’s tomb was the Vault of Souls. It fits the facts, in it’s own way. First, the very place Brom is buried could be refered to as a ‘Vault’, seeing as that Saphira entombed him in diamond. Second, Eragon promised himself on the way back from Helgrind that he would return, meaning that we might visit the site in Inheritance. Third, to me, it seems fitting for the Vault of Souls to be Brom’s tomb. (Vault=Broms Diamond Tomb, Souls= Brom’s Brom’s body rests there) And besides, Brom’s Tomb is in a very deserted place, there is a possibilty of a cache of eldunari nearby.

    • Random12345

      Um….. thats a cool idea but somehow i don’t see it becoming reality

    • Anchal Jain

      Wait, now that I think about it, Brom wasn’t even dead at the time of the werecat’s advice. It seems unlikely that he could predict that Brom would die, and the way he would be entombed.

      • Elphiebelphie

        He’s a werecat. We have no idea what he’s foreseen.

      • I think it is likely Solembum predicted the Menoa Tree and everything else while Angela predicted accurate things too

        • PotionWillow207

          Solembum didn’t predict anything. What he said to Eragon were instructions and advice, not prophecy or predictions.

          • ADVICE FOR THE FUTURE MEANING PREDICTIONS

          • PotionWillow207

            Not the same thing.

          • PotionWillow207

            Not the same thing.

          • if solembum saw something eragon needed in the future he gives him clues so it is eragons fortune

          • ADVICE FOR THE FUTURE MEANING PREDICTIONS

  • TheRealist

    Kuthian=ancient dragon.Rock=Eldunari…Eldunari of an ancient dragon?

  • Rofl Clopter

    this is completely useless information. there is no big fact, this just a theory of what we already confirmed.

  • Noan-3105

    What about this: the vault of Souls is in fact the place where Galbatorix hides his eldunari. When eragon speaks out his name there, the eldunari think it’s the name of the first eragon and they decide to help Eragon(the second). 

  • Noan-3105

    What about this: the vault of Souls is in fact the place where Galbatorix hides his eldunari. When eragon speaks out his name there, the eldunari think it’s the name of the first eragon and they decide to help Eragon(the second). 

    • Esmeraldi

      it would be heavily guarded or be deserted with magic traps, alerting Galbatorix… so no

  • firemonkey

    Oh, has anyone considered the possibility that the Vault of Souls is on Vroengard Island?

    • The Thinker

      Yeah, kind of like the Holocron vault in the destroyed Jedi Temple. It’d have to either be that, or the Hadarac, or deep in Elesmera, or the Spine…… oh, the possibilities are endless!

    • PotionWillow207

      No. Because Galbatorix is evil, but he’s not stupid. I think if there were some type of important, heavily magical something on Vroengard then he would have found it.

  • sjoegraas

    I think the Vault of Souls contains the Eldunari that Galbatorix has under his control. The Rock of Kuthian is a gate way of sorts, and when Eragon manages to open it the dragons will see his pure heart or something and give him control over the Eldunari. That way, Galbatorix is left with only as much power as he had before, and Eragon can easily capture/kill him.

  • sjoegraas

    I think the Vault of Souls contains the Eldunari that Galbatorix has under his control. The Rock of Kuthian is a gate way of sorts, and when Eragon manages to open it the dragons will see his pure heart or something and give him control over the Eldunari. That way, Galbatorix is left with only as much power as he had before, and Eragon can easily capture/kill him.

  • XEldest

    The VoS i think is like the Veil in Harry Potter, a gate to death but all the spirits of every living thing are contained in an area. Unlike the veil however I think that souls can escape the vault or their energy harnesed.

    The name must have been banished from the memory of every living thing alive by the werecats. They are kind of like the secret keepers of the vault. That way olny those who they chose to tell about it can find it. I think thats were Half-Paw will come in, he leads Eragon to the Vault

  • XEldest

    The VoS i think is like the Veil in Harry Potter, a gate to death but all the spirits of every living thing are contained in an area. Unlike the veil however I think that souls can escape the vault or their energy harnesed.

    The name must have been banished from the memory of every living thing alive by the werecats. They are kind of like the secret keepers of the vault. That way olny those who they chose to tell about it can find it. I think thats were Half-Paw will come in, he leads Eragon to the Vault

  • JoetheRider

    I think that it should logically be a store of Eldunari, but that’s kind of a boring plot, you know? Someone has said this before, but i’ll repeat it again: It be kind of boring if the end of Inheritance were Eragon saying “I have more Eldunari than you!”

    We’ll have to see…….. maybe there are limitations to their usage, or something like that. I would think that Eragon and Galbatorix would be kind of equal in the last battle. Something that pushes Eragon to his limits.

    I really like the whole Vault of Souls theory where the Vault is a store of spirits. Remember how Brom said that a combination of Rider and Shade would be an abomination? Well how about the idea that Eragon opens the Vault of Souls and becomes a sort of “good shade”. 

    Please reply, I’d like to hear your thoughts on this theory!   

  • JoetheRider

    I think that it should logically be a store of Eldunari, but that’s kind of a boring plot, you know? Someone has said this before, but i’ll repeat it again: It be kind of boring if the end of Inheritance were Eragon saying “I have more Eldunari than you!”

    We’ll have to see…….. maybe there are limitations to their usage, or something like that. I would think that Eragon and Galbatorix would be kind of equal in the last battle. Something that pushes Eragon to his limits.

    I really like the whole Vault of Souls theory where the Vault is a store of spirits. Remember how Brom said that a combination of Rider and Shade would be an abomination? Well how about the idea that Eragon opens the Vault of Souls and becomes a sort of “good shade”. 

    Please reply, I’d like to hear your thoughts on this theory!   

    • Aplussoccerkid

      A “good shade” I really don’t know about that one…  I think that it’s a store of eldunari, or like you said, a store of spirits.

      • JoetheRider

        yeah, im just guessing…..

        • Anchal Jain

          I think that in this book Eragon will definitely experiment with spirits, but I am not sure what exactly he will do.

    • Timmy

      Eragon did show interest to using the power of the spirits like a shade would when he talked to oromis. maybe this is a type of foreshadowing of how he will learn how to use the spirits for good, which in itself would be a big enough challange for eragon to learn while trying to fight the empire and then Galbatorix. I think in Brisingr it makes it clear that all the elundari are known of and I agree with random 12345 that the plot would be silly to just have eragon find more eldunari than the king. there are a couple refereces in Brisingr that talk about spirits and Gods even for that matter. Also, Why is Eragon one of the few people who was able to kill a shade? He is known as Shadeslayer, there must be another reason for that other than that he can kill shades.

    • PotionWillow207

      First, the battle is already about who has more eldunari. So why is that stupid or a problem? Second, souls and spirits are not interchangeable terms in this world. They are two completely separate ideas/beings.

  • Emeric

    Heh, Gate of Death. I like that. Gathering an army of the Dead. Yeah!

    But I think Kuthian is one of the Forsworns dragon. And the rock is in the spine. Which will reveal the Vault of Souls. There’s just something bothering me. Solembum said “and speak YOUR NAME to open the Vault of Souls.” Well i bet it’s Eragon’s true name. So he has to learn that before he goes to the Rock of Kuthian. Then I believe RoK and VoS will come in the end of the book.

    By the way, reading the prophecy again made me eager to read all of the books again. I will, soon enough. At least after Inheritance is released!

    • Cody Goss

      Kuthian being one of the Forsworn’s dragon names is an awesome idea and is completely obvious when I think about it…That would explain why Arya and Oromis can vaguely remember hearing it, but not exactly where, similar to Eragon’s forgetfulness addressed in Brisingr. If this theory is correct, I can only speculate which of the Forsworn’s dragons it could be! Hmmm

      • PotionWillow207

        No, it’s not completely obvious. It’s not possible. Read the books, people. Banishing of the Names. “Brisingr,” page 206-207

      • PotionWillow207

        No, it’s not completely obvious. It’s not possible. Read the books, people. Banishing of the Names. “Brisingr,” page 206-207

    • Ashlynn

      Although CP did take inspiration from LOTR i think an army of the dead would be taking it too far (=:)>)

    • The South African

      An army of the dead? What? Are we reading Lord of the Rings now?

  • Saphira1001

    I believe that the Vault of Souls is a passage connecting the mortal world to that of the “Beyond”. The reason Oromis and Arya have a feeling that they have heard it before is because that the Vault is part of an Elfish fairy tale. Since neither of the two Elves are exactaly young they probably didn’t remember the tale. I believe that when someone goes to the Vault and speaks their name the spirits of their dead loved ones will temporarily come back and give the seeker advice. This would fit Solembum’s prophecy “Then, when all seems lost and your power is insufficient” after, possibly, a friend of Eragon dies or the Varden suffer a heavy loss in battle Eragon could be feeling helpless and powerless but when he goes to the Vault his lost loved ones will encourage him and possibly give him a clue as to how to kill Galbatorix.

    • Aplussoccerkid

      I like that idea. Brom and Oromis giving Eragon one last piece of advice that he takes into the final battle with him. That would be cool.

    • Elphiebelphie

      I’ve also had that theory. Brom, Oromis, and possibly even Selena showing up!

  • falling leaves

    I was reading the article and i had a thought. what if the vault is filled not with eldunari, but dragon eggs ready for riders? what if before galby took over the country, the last of the riders took away any remaining eggs and hid them away for safe keeping and the eggs havnt hatched because they havnt encountered ppl for so many years. the rock of kuthian… i agree with the guardian theory.

    • Anchal Jain

      I don’t know why someone else hasn’t suggested this theory before. (I haven’t heard it at least.) We know that no more hidden riders will appear, but we don’t know if new eggs may lead to new riders. It is a pretty good theory.

    • Aplussoccerkid

      Great theory! It would be awesome to see that happen.

    • Elphiebelphie

      Didn’t someone tell Eragon that the time of the Dragon Riders was over in book 1? Cool theory, but I seriously doubt it.

      • Nmini

        Hrothgar did when speaking to eragon the first time

    • Whywhywhy

      Yeah but solemnbum tells eragon that when his power is insufficient go to the rock of kuthian and etc. etc. Dragon eggs would be nice, but they don’t help out the varden, the elves, or eragon enough to be able to defeat galby immediately, and i cant see mr. paolini having the book span several years waiting for more dragon riders to appear. I mean, if it took saphira so long to hatch, why should the others hatch any sooner? it’s an interesting idea though, especially since it would mean the continuation of the dragon race.

  • SonofEragon

    I personally think that the vault is full of the spirits of riders, and the rock is the eldurnari of an ancient dragon. Eragon could like, speak to riders of the past (the whole Brom coming back would be addressed) and learn secrets or abilities known only to the lead riders like Eragon I, Anurin and Vrael

  • promethiandeath

    Kind of a side note to this:

    Which name does he have to speak: “Eragon,” or his true name?

    I think because of all the mystery and magic surrounding this, it’s going to have to be his true name, and not his given, everyday name.

    • huh that would be funny if galby figured it out:”Hey I am Galbatorix OPEN!!!”

  • Anonymous

    The plural of eldunari is eldunaria. I remember listening to it in an interview with CP.

    • PotionWillow207

      Eldunarya.

  • Anonymous

    Whose souls?

  • berry21

    Hey Mike. Here’s an idea for another “Big Twenty” acrticle. As I read through the comments, one of the most questioned things is the Spine. There are so many theories about why it is so mysterious and dangerous. I think that would be a fun article to read. 🙂

  • Cody Goss

    In addition to this theory, I believe that Eragon will turn to either Angela the Herbalist or, by extent, Tenga to help him discover the location of the Vault of Souls. However, I understand that a flaw exists in this thought: Eragon would have to divulge what Solembum told him to Angela which she has already asked him not to reveal.

  • Cody Goss

    Although I do not know what lies within the Vault of Souls, I do have an interesting theory as to the whereabouts of the Vault. In “Eldest”, when Eragon and Saphira make the trek across the Hadarac Desert from Ellesmera to the Burning Plains, they glimpse Du Fells Nangaroth, the home of many wild dragons past, in the distance; Saphira tells Eragon, “We must visit there someday,” to which Eragon replies, “Aye”. Also, Christopher Paolini admitted to “hints” being located throughout Eragon’s Guide to Alagaesia, and Du Fells Nangaroth is one of the “notable” locations marked on the map of Alagaesia. I find it odd that Mr. Paolini included the landmark in the map considering its less than significant nature in the series’ plot thus far. So, I believe the possible location of the Rock of Kuthian/Vault of Souls is the habitat of Du Fells Nangaroth!

    • Aplussoccerkid

      I never thought of it like that, great idea. It would really make sense, it could be a store of wild dragon eldunari, or the actual Vault of Souls. Du Fells Nangaroth could be or have something to do with the Rock of Kunthian.

    • Elphiebelphie

      I didn’t even catch that! Nice job!

    • Grond

      I completely agree.

    • yES i THINK IT WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE THE DRAGON WERE ONCE

  • Anonymous

    However likely the eldunarya theory may be, I don’t like it. It
    just feels like it would go against Brom’s teachings if Eragon just
    found a way to increase his strength in order to beat Galbatorix instead
    of using his wits somehow. I would like to think that the VoS perhaps
    contains the souls of the dead or something like that, and they teach him some kind of secret of magic.

  • Anonymous

    All these theories are very interesting. However, even if we don’t know what the Vault of Souls is, we can still change the focus of our discussion. My point is, many stories consisting of several volumes, usually leave key information till the very end. This information usually is unknown to most if not to all characters, and it’s always a secret which turns out to be much more important in the fate of characters. The most important question is not what the VOS or ROK are but what they can do to help the hero of the story. How do you guys think the VOS will assist Eragon in fighing his enemy?
    In most stories, an external element which helps heroes can be: a weapon, knowledge, a cure, a magical instrument that violates physical laws or an invention. The ones who believe of know of the existence of such an object, usually spend years on the quest. So, it wouldn’t be surprising that Eragon, Galby or unknown characters will soon realize of the importance to look for such an object.
    Personally, I think the best use that the VOS can bring to Eragon is a way to free the Eldunaria from Galby’s will. The problem is, you cannot do this unless, you break the laws of magic. So, I’ve been thinking that maybe the Vault of Souls won’t do other thing but give Eragon: a) important information on how to inflict changes on the nature of magic related to true names, or b) it’ll be the weapon to challenge Galby. The problem with b) is that it’s difficult to think of what it could be. Where would the stregth would come from? Besides, it doesn’t seem very original  to fight Galbatorix using the same means, does it?

    • love it but you kinda sound like my teacher and school starts in 12 days;B

      • Anonymous

        Sorry for that! I’ve been writing several final papers, so I guess the academic style has sort of influenced my own way of writing.

        • it’s ok i am scared this is my last year in middle school after that it’s highschool

  • Saphira

    I think the Vault of Souls will be a cache of Eldunari and I really like the idea of the Kuthian being a very ancient dragon! Also I think it is significant that neither Oromis or Arya could give any information but had the feeling they had heard it before. I believe the Vault of Souls is protected by a magic that stops people from remembering it and exploiting it. I also think the “speak your name” part of the prophecy means that Eragon will have to speak his true name at the Rock of Kuthian to prove that he is worthy of entering the Vault of Souls.

  • Derethor

    A cash of Dragon eldunari stemming from before The dragon elf war, after all you wouldn’t want your mortal enemy to know about the most powerful secret of your race and making sure that it cannot be formed in memory or even spoken of this could have bean done during the worst years of the war in which most dragons could have believed that peace was never possible. I could see a loop hole for solembum and eragon, Werecats and humans were not included.

    Humans because they weren’t pressent in Alagaissia at the time of the war.
    Second werecats probably werent involved in the war ( or also were not present in alagaisia ?)

    I agree this is a leep of faith on the werecat side , but really how much do we really know about them? how old can they get, were did they come from? can they feel (by use of premonintion )
    the upcoming of historical events? ( Angela and solumbum being present a big occasions ).
    Solumbum may have visited this vault or bean there when its name was banish t. 

    Might raise more questions then answers but these are my 2 cents. However to blow your mind away with a other 50 euro’s hows this?Is Kuthian the true name for the beor mountains and is the vault of souls the place were dwarven souls go when they return to the stone? Eragon would be unique because as a Dwarf in all but blood and a foster brother to the dwarven king he could be told about this at wich time he tells orik of the werecat prophecy….

  • Guest

    i hope it isnt a store of eldunari, i’d rather it would be like a trial eragon has to pass, with the reward being another transformation similar to the blood oath celebration. id rather see eragon be able to beat his enemies on his own steam rather than relying on eldunari to basically fight for him. As the main hero he should be the most powerful figure, at least eventually, and he shouldn’t be strong just because he has more/better eldunari than galbatorix/murtagh. 

  • Elmiq

    Oromis said that he was looking for Eldunari, but he wasn’t able to find even a little sign of it. So, in fact he wasn’t able to find any of Galbatorix’s Eldunari as well and that leads us into conclusion that Galby has somehow hidden them with his magic. Following that direction, we can clearly see that there is a high possibility of finding Vault full of Eldunari, BUT it has to be magically protected. Such protection means, that it was made by human/elven beings, as dragons are/were not able to cast such spells. I mean, they can do amazing magic, but they can’t manipulate it well, so non-dragons had to take part in creating such protection. All in all, I belive that Vault is a place, where wild dragons stored their Eldunaries BEFORE raiders creation. As first Eragon, was, ummm, first, he was the only one to know about it’s existence and that’s why Eragon2 name will open it. When it comes to location of the Vault, I belive that it is i Vroengard as CP mentioned that in tome IV we will see new creatures. Beors out, Du WeldenVarden out, Surda out, Hadarac out, as we have seen all of these locations (even if only  partially). 

  • BWD

    Haha, I’m really excited, and I love the fact that there’s a Fullmetal Alchemist picture on the page XD Epic win guys, and from season 1 too!!!

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  • Lousbrg

    well eragon is a pretty historic name so i think that it is a place kept secret by the first eragon who was fair powerful was he not and im not to sure but wasnt he the guy who made the pact between the elves and dragons i cant remember but if so then maybe something that was done at the time of the pact is in there…. yeh crazy oh and also it just came to me who says that he doesnt have to speak his true name eh

  • Lousbrg

    well eragon is a pretty historic name so i think that it is a place kept secret by the first eragon who was fair powerful was he not and im not to sure but wasnt he the guy who made the pact between the elves and dragons i cant remember but if so then maybe something that was done at the time of the pact is in there…. yeh crazy oh and also it just came to me who says that he doesnt have to speak his true name eh

    • Lil Uhura

      People, please use proper punctuation.  You’ll communicate your ideas much more clearly to the rest of us.

      • PotionWillow207

        Amen!

      • I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR REASONING BUT I HATE PROPER PUNCTUATION JUST LET ME HAVE A BREAK THIS IS MY SUMMER VACATION

        • PotionWillow207

          First, please don’t use all caps. In this format, it means your are screaming, and it’s rude. Second, when you don’t use punctuation it jumbles your sentences and people can’t understand what you’re talking about.

          • i was angry and i will use my punctuation when i want to

  • Denmark111

    It could be real cool if the woult of souls actually was the home of spirits. So Eragon wouldn’t “fight fire with fire”, but use other means to defeat Galbatorix.

    • Anonymous

      That brings us to the question of what spirits are.

      • PotionWillow207

        Spirits are their own race of being in Alagaesia. According to CP, they are semi-sentient balls of energy.

        • MAYBE ERAGON CAN USE THEM FR EXTRA ENERGY IN HIS SPELLS BUT CAN YOU DO THAT?

        • Anonymous

          Mmm… interesting, but it’s hard to really understand what they are.

        • Anonymous

          Mmm… interesting, but it’s hard to really understand what they are.

  • Bert!mus

    My guess is that Kuithane is the true name of the Beor mountains, the names that the dwarves share with no one but themselves. It is possible that Arya and Oromis learn’t it whilst their minds wandered when keeping them open and alert to danger, and for me it is startling why he has mentioned it to his elven companions and recieved no answers, but not to Orik, Angela, or Nar Garvsbog, whom are also his close friends. My guess is that one of those three knows what that is.

  • Archit

    Can’t it be related in any way to the forest, The Spine. I mean whole of Glaby’s armies have vanished there. It might be actually something of the sort, a huge ancient creature waiting there guarding the Vault of Souls, until the true owner speaks his name. May be Solembum know that Eragon is the owner. Maybe solembum knows much more than that.

    • Anonymous

      If what Solembum did was telling a prophecy, then he doesn’t really know a lot more. I think that Solem is just a special werecat, and that’s it. The power of telling prophecies is always to tell somebody information which will change the destiny of a whole group of people.

      • PotionWillow207

        It wasn’t a prophecy. It was advice.

    • Aljar

      Exactly. Vos/RoK must be connected to the Spine. As you said, half of Galby’s army miraculously disappeared without a trace and at the beginning of Book 1 it is said that for some reason Eragon seems to very lucky when traversing the Spine; I think that the Spine contains the VoS/RoK, clearly designed or sealed by the original Eragon due to the prophecy (speak your (Eragon) name to open the Vault of Souls). Also, when Arya first teleported Saphira’s egg it appeared, out of all possible places, in the curious Spine, further proving my theory that the Spine is connected to the VoS. It might be only a few metres right beneath the ground where the egg was teleported, which would explain why the egg appeared there. I doubt that the egg teleported to Eragon merely because he shares the same name as the first Rider. The Spine is the key.

  • Ethiwen

    When I read: “Speak your name to the Rock of Kuthian,” I suddenly saw a stone statue of a dragon in front of me. “The Rock of Kuthian…” A rock formed in the shape of a dragon named Kuthian.
    I don’t know! Don’t really belive it myself but an intresting thought. 🙂 Maybe this stone dragon is outside the Vault of souls, maybe it’s magic in some strange ways and by saying your name to the stone dragon it opens the vault or something? Haha, naah. I don’t really know. XD Will be fun to see what it really is. Can’t wait!

    • ME NEITHER MY MOM IS BUYING IT FOR ME FOR CHRISTMAS BUYT I WILLBEG HER TO LET ME OPEN IT EARLY

  • Guest

    Any Eludnari placed in Roengard that were seized by Galbatorix were mainly from dragons that existed from the time of the riders. This means that Eldunari were kept somewhere else before the riders were ever formerly established. I wouldn’t be surprised if the vault of souls contained the Eldunari from the first Eragon’s dragon. I assume that the first Eragon passed on but that his dragons’s Eldunari is still out there somewhere.

  • Gandaga

    I believe that the vault of souls is a hiding place of the grey people hidden in the forrest of stone. The grey people will than aid Eragon in the battle against Galbatorix…

    • PotionWillow207

      How would they be any help? They can’t preform magic any more.

      • ganaga

        they will be able to tell him a secret or something on how to release dragons from there eldurni, leaving Galby powerless.

  • HB :)

    could it perhaps be the souls of previous riders? like ghosts awaiting the return of the dragons Eldunari? as dragons and riders were more powerful when they were together in body, could the same also be said if they were also together in spirit and soul?

  • The Grey Rider

    The Vault of Souls is an interesting enigma.

    I must note that this article missed something else Oromis said that I believe might be a CRUCIAL point.
    Oromis said, And I paraphrase
    “…I will consult my scrolls but I feel certain I won’t find it in any elven writing.”
    This to me suggests that the Vault might have something to do with another race.
    Also, Eragon asked Arya and Oromis; both of them elves.
    The Vault of Souls has to do with a ROCK, which I think might mean it has something to do with the dwarves.
    Or I could be reading too much into that and it could have to do with the urgals or humans.
    Either way, I think that line was a bad idea not to examine in this article.

    I’ve encountered similar things in other universes, most notably stasis vaults and repositories in the Warhammer and 40k universes, so the Vault of Souls might be a repositry for dangerously powerful artifacts, though I doubt they’d be dangerous in the same sense as the sort of artifacts encountered in Games Workshop’s grim-dark settings.

    The Vault might also be a ‘magical cryogenics chamber’ in the sense that some elements of the Riders trapped themselves in the Vault to preserve themselves so they could survive the fall.
    This could be read to include other dragon eggs and eldunarya as well, though coupled with the theory above it sounds unlikely.
    But, Galbatorix allied with the urgals, the Varden have done it, what’s to say a desperate group of Riders didn’t? Or that they convinced the dwarves to let them near it, or whichever humans had knowledge of the Vault?

    That’s my view of what it might be, and it smacks so much of a big twist that it might just be true.
    Also the ‘No more riders hiding in forests’ thing doesn’t implicitly rule out the existence of Riders who’re less easily found.

  • Justa Fan

    If I remember correctly, this book will delve into the possibility of bringing someone back to life, more specifically Eragon’s wish to have Brom back from the dead.  It is for this reason that I think the Vault of Souls doesn’t contain Eldunari, but the souls of people that have died.  So when Eragon finds it, he is able to meet back with Brom and the possibility of Brom living again is discussed.  When Eragon finds the Vault of Souls, those souls will somehow give him a power greater than that of Galbatorix because while Galbatorix will have the Heart of Hearts of dragons, Eragon will have the soul-power, or knowledge, from everything that has ever lived.

    I also think that it was once known to the elves and possibly humans but was lost during the Banishing of the Names.  The Vault of Souls could have been the mortal version of the Eldunari, a way to communicate with the most revered people of the past and help the knowledge of the world grow.  It’s possible that it was guarded by dragons, or riders so that it was not misused but when the Forsworn started killing everything the Dragons decided to include it in the Banishing of the Names.  The elves somewhat remember the name, like they do the names of the Forsworn’s dragons, because they were around at the time that it was known to the world.  Humans don’t recognize the name because they do not live long enough and have no prior memory of the name itself.  The Eldunari could not be forgotten because they are real things, but the Vault of Souls could be forgotten because it’s a gateway whose location and name can be hidden.  Its location would have to be out of the way, too, or else people could stumble upon it and make a fine discovery.  Solembum knows of the name because he is just different from everyone else and since Eragon first learned it from someone who was telling a prophecy, he is unaffected by its Banishing.  He’s also the only one who could stop Galbatorix which would be convenient as well.

    Sorry for being long-winded.

    • PotionWillow207

      But the elves DON’T remember the Forsworn dragons’ names. That was the whole point of the Banishing of the Names. And the eldunari would be worthless at this point. To be able to identify an eldunarya with one of the Forsworn dragons would be an identifying feature and would be against the rules set up in the Banishing of the Names. Apparently, a lot of people need to go back and reread that section of Brisingr.

  • Thegreenmonkey

    It wont be a bunch of eldurnari, that is wayyyyy to predictable and corny, it would not be a good ending if eragon all of a sudden got so much energy he just blasted galby of his throne, nup, CP is to good of a writer to finish a 10yr series with such a sudden, corny ending,

    Also i believe CP has focused on brain over brawn scheme, so vault of ancient knowledge, im guessing knowledge related to the grey folk will be found. Also supporting this theory is Eragons memory of brom, he says something about tricking galby, using his brains

    I think it is quite plausable, what do the readers and mike think?

  • Svit-kona

    I like the idea of the grey folk being apart of the VoS. Im thinking that with all the time Galby searched for the eldunari that its likely he found most or even all of them. For once he broke the dragons mind he could get them to tell where more are and the riders cache had not just ther own but the eldunari of wild dragons too. So what can the vault store? I think it might contain a huge library of compendiums. Some like what Eragon studied in Ellesmera but others more advanced. Compendiums coming from the Grey Folk you could assume to not only have every word/phrase/meaning but all names as well.

    Whatcha think?

  • Mkwe

    The vualt of souls has the secret to bringing people back from the grave

    • Gumwarrior

      that would be cool if brom could come back. and it is entirely possible since brom was encased inside of a diamond tomb. and it basically says his body would remain like that forever. so why write that if there was not going to be a way to bring him back.

      • PotionWillow207

        But bringing someone back from the dead requires someone else to die. Who is going to die to bring Brom back? And even if that were the case, what purpose would it serve? Brom can’t do serious magic. He’s good for a sword fight, but if Galbatorix could be defeated that way then why hasn’t it already been done?

        • when in the book did it say that can you please direct me to it

          • PotionWillow207

            Brom told Eragon (so in the first book) that bringing someone back from the dead requires so much energy that it kills you.

          • yes but what if saphira found a way that is what i am saying brom was talking about humans not dragons

          • yes but what if saphira found a way that is what i am saying brom was talking about humans not dragons

  • Anchal Jain

    I think that it could end up being pretty awesome if the vault involved spirits. Eragon has shown interest in spirits and sorcery multiple times, so who knows.

    And kinda off-topic, but since we know that a shade can be created in any creature’s body, can you guys imagine how terrifying a dragon-shade would be??

  • Anchal Jain

    I think that it could end up being pretty awesome if the vault involved spirits. Eragon has shown interest in spirits and sorcery multiple times, so who knows.

    And kinda off-topic, but since we know that a shade can be created in any creature’s body, can you guys imagine how terrifying a dragon-shade would be??

  • This is all very interesting, and one of my favorite things to discuss during the podcast. I am particularly fond of the idea that the Rock of Kuthian is Kuthian the dragon’s eldunari, and that he will give Eragon the info needed to open the vault filled with dragon eldunari (though wild or rider-associated, I can’t decide). This is one of the truths I’m looking forward to the most in Inheritance. 

  • This is all very interesting, and one of my favorite things to discuss during the podcast. I am particularly fond of the idea that the Rock of Kuthian is Kuthian the dragon’s eldunari, and that he will give Eragon the info needed to open the vault filled with dragon eldunari (though wild or rider-associated, I can’t decide). This is one of the truths I’m looking forward to the most in Inheritance. 

  • Thaydenchandler

    its been a while since i have read the series  so i cant remember if they ever named Eragon’s( the originals) Dragon. So it could be possible that the rock of kuthian, Kuthian being the dragons name. could be its eldunari. wich could be why Eragon would need to speak his name to to the rock.(they share names) unless the prophecy was talking about true names. which it could be which would put who ever opened the vault in the mercy of Kuthian, which Galbatorix would never do.   please tell me what you guys think of this. Please excuse grammer:)

    • Amogh

      Eragon 1’s dragon’s name is Bid’Daum..Brom told Eragon this before they left Carvahall!

  • MegaRetard

    I think that the Vault of Souls is Brom’s tomb, and that the Rock of Kuthian is a guardian, and that the guardian is Brom. The tomd was made with powerful magic so it cept some of the magic (it being made of diamond) and became a portal to the nether world (i could not think of an other name) and Brom was made guardian. Agree or not, that’s my theory. 

  • MegaRetard

    I think that the Vault of Souls is Brom’s tomb, and that the Rock of Kuthian is a guardian, and that the guardian is Brom. The tomd was made with powerful magic so it cept some of the magic (it being made of diamond) and became a portal to the nether world (i could not think of an other name) and Brom was made guardian. Agree or not, that’s my theory. 

  • Arya<2

    At first I thought it would be in Du Fells Nangoroth, but thenI realized Galby probably already searched there. I think it is in Utgard.The mountain  where Vrael  fell.

  • Kris

    Well, here’s my two cents. I’m right on the bandwagon that says the VoS contains Eldunari. It makes the most sense to me. As for where it is, I don’t know, it seems like it would be hidden among mountains somwhere so possibly in the spine or even somewhere in the Beors. I know the dwarves know the Beors pretty well, but couldn’t it have been hidden from them by magic? As for the rock of Kuthian, I really like the idea that Kuthian was a dragon. I think the rock may be his Eldunari. Lets NOT forget a very simple thing, the word rock is NOT capitalized. Yes, I checked back in the book. Its not. Its rock of Kuthian. I’m not sure the significance of this, but there’s gotta be something there.

    • Caleb Palmer

      Good catch! This means that it could be a….wait a minute…..in Eldest, Orik said that they called either the Boers or Utgard something that he wouldn’t mention……what if it was the rock of Kuthian in honor of one of the dwarves? 

      • p.i.m.c!

        I’ve had this thought before when I reread Eldest a second time! Thanks for the reminder! The rock of Kuthian does seem like something that would relate to the dwarves (yeah, mainly because if the word “rock”). But this can also explain why the name stroke a bell to Arya & Oromis: they probably would not be so familiar with the name if it was dwarven in origin.

      • p.i.m.c!

        I’ve had this thought before when I reread Eldest a second time! Thanks for the reminder! The rock of Kuthian does seem like something that would relate to the dwarves (yeah, mainly because if the word “rock”). But this can also explain why the name stroke a bell to Arya & Oromis: they probably would not be so familiar with the name if it was dwarven in origin.

      • Kris

        Oh yeah I had forgotten about that! Yeah it was the Beors that they wouldn’t mention the name of. Very interesting. I realy like this theory too! But I can’t claim the kudos for the lowercase rock thing. I heard it somwhere else. I think it was the listener that called/emailed into the Book Club.

  • adriana

    what is the Rock of Kuthian  is an Eldunari of a dragon named Kuthian   that has knowledge on where and how to open the volt of souls it would know eragon is good and all that becoz his tru name refelcts his tru self

  • Konungr1

    If it is similar to Du Namar Aurboda, I think Eragon can say it because he does not know what it is.  If he were told the name of one of the Forsworn’s dragons but didn’t know that was what was being named, I don’t think the spell would affect him.

    • mbdavis90

      Whoever was trying to tell Eragon the name of the Forsworn’s Dragon would know what they were naming though and therefore wouldn’t be able to name it. However, in the specific case of the rock of Kuthian and the Vault, it isn’t impossible that Solembum can speak of it because Werecats have some sort of magical immunity to the banishing of names. After all, we know almost nothing about the Werecat race at this point so you could be on the right track i guess.

      • PotionWillow207

        But why would CP set up all these rules and then just say, “Oh by the way, these rules are completely irrelevant.”

  • SF

    I had thought while reading the theories, what if the Forsworn’s dragon’s names were somehow contained in the vault of souls? Them losing their names was like losing their soul, their very essence. Could it somehow be connected? Just a random thought that I thought I’d throw out there.

    • Kris

      Hmmm….I like it!!

    • Kris

      Hmmm….I like it!!

    • PotionWillow207

      Even if we pretend that this didn’t go completely against everything CP has told us, what good would it do for Eragon to know the Forsworn dragons’ names? The first part of this advice was, “…when all seems lost and your power is insufficient…,” meaning that whatever is in the Vault of Souls will give Eragon power. How would being able to know and say their names give him power?

  • Kd

    maybe it’s because the sea contains the rock of Kuthian and that may mean why the elves are in love with the sea and why it strikes a cord.   

  • Kewers77

    Or, What if the vault of souls had Bid’daum’s eldunari? That’s why speaking ‘his’ name Eragon, would open it

    • berry21

      Refresh my memory: Is Bid’daum the name of the original Eragon’s dragon??
      Sorry, its been a while since I read the series, although I am meaning to go back reread them before Inheritance comes out.

      • The Thinker

        Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. My opiniun:
        The Rock of Kuthian is not in Alagaesia, but where the elves originally came from. Think like this: the elves share a deep sentimentality with their home and are no ordinary beings. The race memories, deep thoughts buried in the farthest reaches of their minds, are just strong enough for them to remember, kind of.

        • PotionWillow207

          The elves come from Alalea, which is far away across the sea. You think Eragon is going to leave Alagaesia in the middle of the war to go on this random scavenger hunt?

      • The Thinker

        Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. My opiniun:
        The Rock of Kuthian is not in Alagaesia, but where the elves originally came from. Think like this: the elves share a deep sentimentality with their home and are no ordinary beings. The race memories, deep thoughts buried in the farthest reaches of their minds, are just strong enough for them to remember, kind of.

      • yes that was the name of Eragon1’s dragon

  • Kewers77

    Could it be that they are the names of them in the common language? That the true names in the ancient language were the only ones banished?

    • Konungr1

      The Forsworn’s dragons could only be refered to indirectly.  ALL of their names were erased: true names, common names, nicknames.  They could not even say “I” or “me” because that would be giveing themself a name.

  • Well i think even though this may be completely outlandish and i haven’t heard anyone think of this what about the vault of souls being a the faded out grey folk protecting the true name of magic. With that power Eragon would be able to control magic thus changing how the war is fought. as for the Rock of Kuthian I have no idea it could be an ancient being or it could just be a rock with magical instructions on how to get to the Vault of Souls.

    • me

      yeah i was thinking of that to. and you know how when Eragorn killed the last razak (idk spelling) the razak sad that galby almost had “the name” i was thinking what if that is the name of magic, or of alastasia and the last book would be a race to get the name.

  • Matt

    Possible hint by C.P.

    Eldunari means “heart of hearts”, however the chapter that Eragon/Saphira learn about the Eldunari’s from Oromis/Glaedr is called “SOULS of stone”.

    • PotionWillow207

      That would be why the theory that the Vault of Souls is actually a repository of eldunari is such a popular theory.

  • HideInSight

    What I think the Vault of souls is:  Where one may speak with those who have passed.  Eragon needs to speak his true name/regular name to open it, so what might that call to him?  The spirits of Brom, Selena, and the first Eragon.  Kuthian could be the name of the rock, or it’s guardian, or the one who forged the link in the first place.

    • Sandpaper0

      I like it. I believe in Eldest Oromis speaks with Eragon about how some elves had meddled with bringing the dead back to life, but in the process lost themselves. Tell me what you think.

  • Rollersoft150

    I think that the vault of souls contains the eldunari of the forsworns dragons. if you can recall, the banishing of the names stripped the dragons of their ability to name themselves. anyone who knew their names soon forgot them and although their names are recorded in writing, they cannot be remembered for long. Both arya and oromis couldnt remember anything about the rock of kuthian, though the name seemed familiar. Kuthian could have been the name of one of the forsworns dragons who storred their eldunari in a place called the vault of souls, which could explain why the two elves couldnt remember it. anyways thats what i think. im excited to find out if im right.

    • Tenna Wan

      Sounds a lot like my theory.I like it!:)

    • JackDaniels

      Cool theory but I just can’t imagine the Eldunari of the Forsworn’s Dragons helping Eragon to overthrow Galbatorix. They are described as twisted and evil.

    • PotionWillow207

      If Kuthian was the name of a Forsworn dragon then no one would be able to say it. That was part of the Banishing of the Names; they couldn’t be thought, remembered, spoken, anything. And having the Forsworn dragons’ eldunari wouldn’t be a help to Eragon. By the time they died they were completely ignorant and unthinking creatures. How would that be helpful?

  • Rubydragon

    What if the rock of Kuthian was the gemstone that is in Naegling’s (Oromis’ sword) pommel. Oromis mentioned that with the energy in his sword, he could move a mountain.

    • Greenie

      I really doubt that as I’m pretty sure that oromis wouldace realize what’s in his sword, him being a pretty observant guy and all.

  • Sara Francis

    Ilove the use of the fullmetal alchemist pic.

  • Cj1798

    i think that the vault of souls is literaly a vault of souls. Once eragon finds it, he can bring Oromis, Brom, Vreal And Eragon I/ Dragons into the world

    • Mighty Collier

      If that were true then in the guide to alagasia they would be the leaders and teachers not eragon.

      • Cj1798

        Maybe they can only be “back” for a set period of time, 2, 3 days maybe

        • Cj1798

          or maybe, they r spirts and eragon can summon them at will

          • PotionWillow207

            In the world that CP has set up, dead people don’t become spirits. Spirits are their own separate race of being. This is explained to Eragon by Arya in “Brisingr” when they are traveling back to the Varden.

          • Cj1798

            Maybe because they were riders of great power, they learned how to “become” spirits in their death.

  • Schaffer David

    I think that the Vault of Souls is where Galby keeps the eldunari he has stolen.  And when Eragon speaks his true name it will inspire the dragons to use magic and destroy themselves, “releasing them.”  And then Galby will be just a normal rider and Eragon will kick butt.

  • Schaffer David

    I think that the Vault of Souls is where Galby keeps the eldunari he has stolen.  And when Eragon speaks his true name it will inspire the dragons to use magic and destroy themselves, “releasing them.”  And then Galby will be just a normal rider and Eragon will kick butt.

  • Schaffer David

    I think that the Vault of Souls is where Galby keeps the eldunari he has stolen.  And when Eragon speaks his true name it will inspire the dragons to use magic and destroy themselves, “releasing them.”  And then Galby will be just a normal rider and Eragon will kick butt.

    • Sara Francis

      that would be way too easy!

      • Schaffer David

        Yeah but it is completely possible.  Some of these theories are just way too out there.  I think that it is the most logical possibility.

  • Tenna Wan

    I think Kuthian was one of the Forsworn’s dragon.If you didn’t know that you were referencing the name of that dragon,for it could have just as easily been another dragon’s name,you could speak it aloud.The only problem with thi is that Solembum knew what he was talking about but I think I have the answer.He was made guardian of the Vault and the Rock.it’s a possibility.

    • Tenna Wan

      Oh and maybe by rock they mean Eldunari.Speak his name,when he was naming him and Saphira while the Menoa Tree crushed them he brougt up the whole last free dragon and Rider thing,and the Vault will open,Kuthian guards the Vault after he has felt remorse for what he did by helpng the Forsworn. 

    • PotionWillow207

      It’s not a possibility because it defies all the rules that CP set up for the Banishing of the Names. Why would CP set it all up only to say, “Oh by the way, it’s completely irrelevant.”

  • TheWindsWhisper

    Something that strikes me as odd is that in Eldest Oromis told Eragon that elves believed that the power of the elements or nature, whatever you want to call it could be directly harnessed to fuel a spell, but no one had thought up a spell to accomplish it yet. Also in his lessons Eragon learned that if your situation is really, really desperate you could think up a word that previously no one knew. In order to fight Galbatorix, Eragon will probably need to use the elements to counter the power of the Eldunari, Nature vs Eldunari, and defeat Galbatorix. And that’s probably what Tenga and Galbatorix have been working on, is a spell that allows one to use the power of the elements. Maybe Brom discovered part of this spell during his exile and he passed the spell on to Eragon upon his death. Aghh! I cant wait for the new book. 

  • Dwarfman

    Just thinking… what if the Rock of Kuthian is where Du Namar Aurboda took place, and the Vault of souls is where all of the magic of dragons comes from? Just a thought.

    • PotionWillow207

      The magic of dragons comes from within themselves. Eragon describes being able to feel the power beginning to well up within Saphira whenever she does magic.

    • PotionWillow207

      The magic of dragons comes from within themselves. Eragon describes being able to feel the power beginning to well up within Saphira whenever she does magic.

    • PotionWillow207

      The magic of dragons comes from within themselves. Eragon describes being able to feel the power beginning to well up within Saphira whenever she does magic.

    • PotionWillow207

      The magic of dragons comes from within themselves. Eragon describes being able to feel the power beginning to well up within Saphira whenever she does magic.

  • Brom’sDead!SniffSniff

    It’s probably a cache of eldunarì, but i hope it’s something different… As Brom said, magic isn’t about brute strength, it’s about intelligence, being clever and LOGIC

  • Addthorn

    I have never been great at theories, but I believe that it may be a gateway to interact with the spirits of those that have passed. If so it would also co-inside with something Christopher mentioned in a Q&A about discussing bring back the dead, but not as we expect? 

    • Beccawolf16

      Good catch, but which q&a was this from?

    • Beccawolf16

      Good catch, but which q&a was this from?

    • DragonsAreAwesome

      That is EXACTLY what I have always believed.

    • AnDlat

      Thats what i thought at first, but it sounds just like the lord of the rings.

    • PotionWillow207

      You mean souls? Because dead people don’t turn into spirits. Spirits are their own race of being.

  • falcon997

    I think perhaps the vos is like some sort relm of the dead. mabe like in lotr? perhaps when they hear eragon’s true name they will realize he is crucial for galbatorix’s defeat and therefore come out of hidding. I think this might be because they wish to take revenge on galby for causing their lives to be so miserable. It may be that all the souls in the vault are those of people who have suffered by galbatorix’s hands. I also love the idea that kuthian is the or a guardian of the vos. please, please, please give me your thoughts on this! 🙂 thanks for the article    

  • Tsquared429

    Some of these theories drive me nuts. I highly doubt it will be a horde of Eldunari. There isnt any backstory to it. What I’m guessing is that the Vault of Souls is something related to the elves, possibly something from their ancient homeland across the sea. Both Arya and Oromis remembered it. I’m thinking that the Vault of Souls contains the souls of the first Eragon and Vrael. And they will tell Eragon how to steal Galbatorix’s Eldunari.

  • Brent Newton

    I don’t think it would be Eldurnai because then the final battle would simply be who had more – it wouldn’t be a battle of wits (like Brom’s description that wizard’s duels require heavy concentration), it would just be who can hit the other harder, which traditionally CP doesn’t do – he always has Eragon finding a unique or clever solution (example: not killing Sloan).

    However, it could be literal in the fact that it might be a ‘gate’ to the afterlife (or equivalent of)  where all living souls go after they die. Since obviously only a small amount of dragons turn to their Eldurnai, this vault could theoretically hold the souls of all the humans, elves, dragons, urgals, etc. who, with a bit of persuasion, might feed Eragon some kind of new energy

    As for the location, no other place in Alagaesia has more mystery surrounding it than Vroengard – it was the Rider’s capitol, it had a city,

  • Brom

    instead of a hidden cache of eldunari wouldnt it make more sense for it to be where galbatorix stores his eldunari? because didnt oromis say that hes searched for and that brom looked for missing eldunari but they were all well accounted for…

  • guest

    I think it should be the most obvious: a literal vault of souls/Eldunari.  From what I remember, CP doesn’t include many extreme plot twists.  Now, I’m not saying that’s a bad thing.  But, for example, Solembum’s “look under the Menoa Tree” was literal.  Eragon needed a weapon, a sword, so he looked under the Menoa tree and it helped him.  So I think it’s just a literal vault of souls.  And the Rock of Kuthian is literally a rock which belonged to someone named Kuthian, or used to be in a place called Kuthian.

  • SSW

    It makes sense that no one can remember it, because the bit of history showed that it was possible to erase something from existence.  Solembum and Eragon can both remember it and speak it because Solembum is a werecat (he’s special), and Eragon was given that information by Solembum.  i wonder if you were to ask Arya or Oromis what it was that Eragon asked them about, would they remember that it was the Rock of Kuthian that Eragon said?

  • HiddenInLight

    I think that it is not Eldunari mainly due to the fact that it was stated that Oromis and Glaidr both did an extensive search for any that Galbatorix may have missed and were unable to find anything.  The only way it could be is if there was just a lame excuse like oh there’s a spell to stop people from scrying it.  But I think that just sounds like a lame half baked attempt to hide an inconsistancy in the story.

    Also, I get the idea that it has something to do with the Urgals.  I think that they will be able to tell him where it is, and it is probably located on the mountain in the middle of the desert.  Probably contains a book with some sort of information like the trick to converting light into energy.  I think that he would be able to stand up to the eldunari that Galbatorix has with that kind of power.

  • GT

    Whatever is in the Vault of Souls, it needs to be something that can give Eragon power.  After all, his power will be insufficient, so he will need some (or a lot) to defeat Galby, or do something significant. 

  • Rubydragon

    Can Kuthian be a rock statue, that moves and guards the vault of souls?

  • Guest

    I think we all are over-thinking whats in it sometimes the obvious answer is the best

  • Mylagc

    i think that  it is galbatorixs vault of eldunari, if he placed shruiken there then he culd have stored the far away, yet through his “bond” with shruiken he could have acess tp the energy from far away.

    • Bob

      First of all shruiken isn’t his true dragon therefor their bond is true, also it wouldn’t matter because distance still breaks their ability to communicate and also transfer energy so he needs to be near the vault if he wants access to it’s energy

      • Eschwartz

        thats kind of the point of eldunari, they disregard distance, and galby ddraws on shruikan, who draws thru his eldunari from the other eldunaris

  • SS

    Maybe its something to do with a shade or sorceror or something – I mean they in some way control and manipulate spirits

    • PotionWillow207

      Spirits and souls are not the same thing.

  • jarka

    oh and the location, either hadarac desert or shartooth island but possibly the spine aswell, strange things happen in the spine i remeber reading a few times about how an entire army/battlion of galbys once attempted to march through the spine and were never seen again

  • jarka

    personally i think the eldunari theory is most likely due to the clues left in previous books, such as, galby’s power coming from eldunari and the piece of history oromis and others tell eragon about however i think there are two other possibilities. one would be the rock and the vault of souls is actually the home to the spirits that were introduced more thoroughly in brisingr we saw there display of almost omnipotent power where they turned an ordinary lily into living gold after mentally connecting with eragon   being able to commune and draw power from these spiritual beings would grant eragon for probably a brief time the power to do almost anything, or the vault of souls and the rock of kuthian are ancient sites where the elves or some more ancient race wrote down all of the words of the ancient language and even the name of the language itself i think this is possible but unlikely because I vaguely remeber brom or perhaps oromis talking to eragon about the name of the ancient language and stating it was lost but if anyone did know the name it would give them power over the language itself, thus allowing them to perform powerful magic like no other magic users could perform. Anyways there just my theory’s, im more keen to see what cp has come up with. 

  • Anonymous

    This would go extremly well with the theme and would make for an awesome chapter/s

  • ArchMageDiablo

    What if it is a Door to “the other side” where Eragon can meet with Brom and his mother and uncle. As well as the old riders and forsworn, and even the ancients who created magic, through this he could learn the true name of the ancient language or the truth about natural magic, or something to that effect. As much as I believe it’s likely a large cache of eldunari i’d like Eragon’s victory to be more ingenious then who’s got the most roids.

  • ArchMageDiablo

    What if it is a Door to “the other side” where Eragon can meet with Brom and his mother and uncle. As well as the old riders and forsworn, and even the ancients who created magic, through this he could learn the true name of the ancient language or the truth about natural magic, or something to that effect. As much as I believe it’s likely a large cache of eldunari i’d like Eragon’s victory to be more ingenious then who’s got the most roids.

  • Anonymous

    oh and the location is on sharktooth island. things have happened on all of the other islands/ or at least be involved with the story in some way. 

  • Anonymous

    oh and the location is on sharktooth island. things have happened on all of the other islands/ or at least be involved with the story in some way. 

  • Rambikos

     the Eldunari theory is far too stupid for CP to use it

  • Rambikos

     the Eldunari theory is far too stupid for CP to use it

    • Oh ok, thanks for you reasons why it’s “stupid”.

    • firemonkey

      I don’t think its stupid; it makes perfect sense.  Though I think the problem with it is that is makes too much sense and CP want to surpise us.

      • PotionWillow207

        People said the same thing about Snape in Harry Potter. He couldn’t possibly be a good guy in hiding because that answer was too easy. And they were all wrong. I’m telling you, the answer to this is easy and staring us in the face. When we get to that part of the book we are all going to slap our heads and go, “DUH!”

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, It cant be a cache of dragons’ Eldunari. Why? because Eragon would have to get the permission and accecptance to be able to use them. Galby has had over a century to break the minds of the dragons in his possession. this would take forever in the book. What i think is a more plausible theory would be the source of where the Eldunari get their strength. when Eragon is talking about the Eldunari with Oromis(sp) he asks where they get their strength. and in response oromis says a magical source. if that is what is in the VoS then Eragon could use that in a multitude of ways to defeat Galby, with one to take out the source of their strength, freeing the captive Dragons and making Galby and Murtagh just regular riders. and then the elves, Eragon, Arya, and Roran with the varden could crush them in one awesome fight. 
    What you guys think?? 

    P.S.
    I think that the location is on sharktooth island. things have happened on all of the other islands/ or at least be involved with the story in some way

    • Anonymous

      BOOM your theory mindfucked me. LOL it’s quite possible. quite possible. i’m amazed. 

    • Bob

      Galby Only had to break their minds because he was evil and they wouldnt have otherwise served him, eragon on the other hand would merely have to shOw them his tue intentions tO gain their loyalty which wouldn’t take long at all–therefor this is eldunari theory is still highly logical

    • Eragon is the only true and noble Rider in Alagaesia fighting the man responsible for thousands of deaths. There would be no mind-bending required for Eragon. Like Glaedr, I’m willing to bet anything that the Eldunari would ally themselves with Eragon with no questions asked.

    • PotionWillow207

      Galbatorix had to break the minds of the eldunarya he had because they didn’t want to help him with his evil, twisted plot. As Mike said, I’m sure any free eldunarya would be more than willing to help Eragon overthrow Galbatorix.

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, It cant be a cache of dragons’ Eldunari. Why? because Eragon would have to get the permission and accecptance to be able to use them. Galby has had over a century to break the minds of the dragons in his possession. this would take forever in the book. What i think is a more plausible theory would be the source of where the Eldunari get their strength. when Eragon is talking about the Eldunari with Oromis(sp) he asks where they get their strength. and in response oromis says a magical source. if that is what is in the VoS then Eragon could use that in a multitude of ways to defeat Galby, with one to take out the source of their strength, freeing the captive Dragons and making Galby and Murtagh just regular riders. and then the elves, Eragon, Arya, and Roran with the varden could crush them in one awesome fight. 
    What you guys think?? 

    P.S.
    I think that the location is on sharktooth island. things have happened on all of the other islands/ or at least be involved with the story in some way

  • I think that it holds an ancient and forgoten cache of Eldunari also that only the true name of a Dragon Rider in desperate need of it can open it. I also belive it is in the Hadrac Dessert near the center some where.

  • I think that it holds an ancient and forgoten cache of Eldunari also that only the true name of a Dragon Rider in desperate need of it can open it. I also belive it is in the Hadrac Dessert near the center some where.

  • I think that it holds an ancient and forgoten cache of Eldunari also that only the true name of a Dragon Rider in desperate need of it can open it. I also belive it is in the Hadrac Dessert near the center some where.

  • I hope the VoS doesn’t have Eldunari. It’s just too predictable. I once had an idea which is probably unlikely but I like to think about it: I imagined, in the middle of the final battle, all of the younger generation follow Eragon to the RoK where he opens up the Vault. Then, when they’re inside, each sees something different. They see the spirits of their lost ones. Eragon’s parents could give him some sort of inheritance that he needs to win.

    • Predictable in that sense isn’t always bad. Prior to Brisingr, you wouldn’t have predicted Eldunari… so it isn’t all that predictable. You learn more as the story progresses.

  • I hope the VoS doesn’t have Eldunari. It’s just too predictable. I once had an idea which is probably unlikely but I like to think about it: I imagined, in the middle of the final battle, all of the younger generation follow Eragon to the RoK where he opens up the Vault. Then, when they’re inside, each sees something different. They see the spirits of their lost ones. Eragon’s parents could give him some sort of inheritance that he needs to win.

  • I hope the VoS doesn’t have Eldunari. It’s just too predictable. I once had an idea which is probably unlikely but I like to think about it: I imagined, in the middle of the final battle, all of the younger generation follow Eragon to the RoK where he opens up the Vault. Then, when they’re inside, each sees something different. They see the spirits of their lost ones. Eragon’s parents could give him some sort of inheritance that he needs to win.

  • Anchal Jain

    I am curious as to what it will turn out to be. It would be interesting if it involved spirits and not eldunari.

    btw, small typo Mike that you can correct – “Arya was able to offer the pair little little information.”

  • Sesshy

    The fact that it said rock in the name makes me think it has something to do with the dwarves.

  • Makuta_takanuva_94

    lol nice touch with the gate from full metal alchemist

    • Yes I loved that I’m a huge FMA and Brotherhood fan both the anime and manga.

    • Yes I loved that I’m a huge FMA and Brotherhood fan both the anime and manga.

    • Yes I loved that I’m a huge FMA and Brotherhood fan both the anime and manga.

    • Glad some of you caught that!

  • Cdouglas3227

    I agree that there are likely eldunari there.  I think the original Eragon will be involved in some way.  That is why he will have to “speak his name” to enter.  Possibly the original Eragon was involved with the founding or hiding of the vault?  Just a thought.

  • Anonymous

    awesome article. 
    The theory which claims the VoS as a cache of Eldunari is soooo obvious that makes me think otherwise. 
    Therefore, I dunno what it is, those theories are excellent but I really hope it’s not what most people think. 
    I think it’s either in the Spine or in the Hadarac Desert (as almost everybody reckons it). the Hadarac Desert attracts me the most, though. Just cos if Kuthian is an ancient dragon that watches and guards the VoS as mentioned in the article, so it is most likely that this dragon is hidden in the Desert (since we know that dragons love such lonely lands). However there was that theory about the Spine being a giant dragon (which catches me every time), it’s too far-fetched, but an awesome theory and i’d love if this were true. 

  • Spideytan

    Why dont hey remake the eragon movie? The first one wasnt that good and if say peter jackson made it, it would be sick.

  • jessford148

    I honestly dont want to think that Eragon will use dragon’s eldunari (plural version?) to defeat Galby. Though it’s likely I kinda want to go more with the spirits that he has frequently encountered. When he and Arya were out in the wilderness and they came upon them, their power was overwhelming and he couldn’t do anything to stop them from breaking into his mind. When they figured out he slayed Durza they were extremely thankful and left him with a “gilded Lily”. Now not only has he and Arya sleighed Durza together but also Vraug so I am wondering if the Vault of Souls is a location in which the remnants of the Grey Folk are, that intend to assist Eragon in his quest & also if in some odd turn of events the free spirits will help Eragon to defeat Murtagh and Galby. Plus the fact that if I was a dragon living  in an eldunari and the last human I came into contact with became an oppresive ruler and kept me as his slaves I probably wouldn’t be very sympathetic to Eragon and would need an immense amount of convincing. Then considering how he’d have to go through that countless times after recovering eldunari from Galby just to reach the same power level as him, that alone would take up a large and tedious section of the book. Probably more tedious than the Clanmeet in brisingr;) 

    • Anonymous

      i loved this. it hadn’t popped up into my mind since now that you’ve pointed it out. 
      just to make a roundup, you meant that the spirits will led Eragon to the VoS which contains the heritage of the Grey Folk and that it will somehow help Eragon to defeat galby, right? one thing i didn’t get, though – what would be this remnants of the GF? 

    • Eschwartz

      if eragon freed galbys eldunari he could use them immediately theyd let him and he wouldnt need to spend 40 years breaking their will

  • Beccawolf16

    I usually prefer to think that the VOS is a hidden collection of Eldunari, as it is the most logical theory… but I’ve always liked the idea that it was a place with actual souls in it, perhaps a place in which Eragon could talk to Brom, Oromis, or others that have long been dead.  That is my theory.

    Also, I’ve always wondered if by, “speak your name to open the Vault of Souls,” Solembum meant to speak Eragon’s name (Eragon) or to use his true name.  This would have a major impact in the story because if Eragon is to speak his true name he would have to journey to find out what it is.

    • Caleb Palmer

      ah, but would he? After he killed Durza, how does he/we know that it didn’t change his name to Death to Shadows?

      • Beccawolf16

        I don’t know.  To me, however, the name “Death of Shadows” sounded a little to dark to be Eragon’s true name.  Besides, I think Christopher said something about no true names being revield in the book in one of his interviews, although I could be mistaken.

    • Anonymous

      And if Solembum meant Eragon’s common name, then the RoK/VoS probably have something to do with Eragon I. But I think that the true name theory is more likely.

      • Beccawolf16

        Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.  Or maybe it would have something to do with the name itself, perhaps the name “Eragon” is derived from a sort of password to get into the VoS.

  • Peter Aamand Andersen

    A gate to Death (Death mans kingdom)- here Eragon will bring back Brom – they will kill Galb together xD. like the idee?

  • Caleb Palmer

    We know that something is in the Spine, because Galby lost so many troops there for no known reason. The biggest question is, what is it? A dragon? A Spirit? An Ancient Rider (just thought of that one) who knows. Brom may have even been the one to store the Eldunari in The Vault….wouldn’t put it past the old man

    • Anonymous

      interesting. but i dont think it was brom. he had to help the varden against the empire, find a way of cheating galby (stealing Saphira’s egg) and etc, wasn’t he too busy already with such tasks?
      but whatever it is (the spine) i’m pretty sure brom knew, perhaps he even told Saphira and she is just waiting for the right moment to finally deliver it to her rider (just as she did sometimes)

      • Caleb Palmer

        Brom could’ve still done it, we have no idea when it was set, him and Morzan both could’ve worked on it, idk, just fun ideas

    • Rebekka

      It won’t be a rider. Christopher already confirmed that there is no more known or unknown riders left besied Galby and Eragon.

      • B Kress

        and Murtagh.

      • B Kress

        and Murtagh.

  • T S

    I think that the Rock of Kuthian is in the Spine cuz it’s just so mysterious, ya know?

    • Howie

      Oh, it’s definately in the spine

      • Arya

        i think its in the desert

    • firemonkey

      Yea, I agree, or it could also be in the desert as almost no one goes there.  But I think the real question is how Solembum knows about the Rock of Kuthian and the Vault of Souls.  Maybe since the werecats join the Varden one of the werecats will spill the beans.  Or maybe the Rock of Kuthian is where the werecats live as no one would know about this except the werecats and a few elves.

      • Anonymous

        werecats seem to know every thing that is important. they like being around important events, maybe some of them were there when the VoS was created? i bet solembum has more to talk than meets the eye. 

        • Mr. Anonymous

          You know he still does!

      • T S

        Good point. I didn’t think about the desert cuz it actually didn’t occur to me.

        God, I’m  so stupid.